How Do You Calculate Force and Acceleration in a Crash Test Scenario?

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The discussion revolves around calculating force and acceleration in a crash test scenario involving a dummy in a car that collides with a wall. The problem requires the application of concepts such as impulse, average force, and acceleration, while considering the distance traveled by the dummy during the collision.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the use of impulse to find average force, questioning how to proceed without time and how distance factors into the calculations. Some suggest calculating time using average speed, while others express confusion about the correct application of formulas.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their reasoning and attempting to clarify concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of average speed and alternative methods to approach the problem, though there is no explicit consensus on the correct solution path.

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Participants note the challenge of working without time and the potential for misunderstanding average speed calculations. There is also mention of varying distances in different scenarios, which may affect the calculations.

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I can not work out how to do the first part of this problem. I know that I am supposed to use impulse to find the average force, but F*dt= J. and J= mvf-mvo. I don't know how to work this problem out without using time. The distance part of the equation is also throwing me off. I don't know where to start. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


A set of crash tests consists of running a test car moving at a speed of 10.0 m/s (22.0 m/h) into a solid wall. Strapped securely in an advanced seat belt system, a 65.0 kg (143.0 lbs) dummy is found to move a distance of 0.630 m from the moment the car touches the wall to the time the car is stopped. Calculate the size of the average force which acts on the dummy during that time.

Using the direction of motion as positive direction, calculate the average acceleration of the dummy during that time (in g's) (use 1g=9.8 m/s2).

In a different car, the distance the dummy moves while being stopped is reduced from 0.630 m to 0.210 m calculate the average force on the dummy as that car stops.
 
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JB83 said:
I can not work out how to do the first part of this problem. I know that I am supposed to use impulse to find the average force, but F*dt= J. and J= mvf-mvo. I don't know how to work this problem out without using time. The distance part of the equation is also throwing me off. I don't know where to start. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


A set of crash tests consists of running a test car moving at a speed of 10.0 m/s (22.0 m/h) into a solid wall. Strapped securely in an advanced seat belt system, a 65.0 kg (143.0 lbs) dummy is found to move a distance of 0.630 m from the moment the car touches the wall to the time the car is stopped. Calculate the size of the average force which acts on the dummy during that time.

Using the direction of motion as positive direction, calculate the average acceleration of the dummy during that time (in g's) (use 1g=9.8 m/s2).

In a different car, the distance the dummy moves while being stopped is reduced from 0.630 m to 0.210 m calculate the average force on the dummy as that car stops.
You don't have the time, but you have the distance and the average speed during the collision. delta t = distance/avg speed. Solve for the average collision force. Then its Newton 2 to solve for a.
 
so if delta t = distance/ave speed... delta t = 0.630/10. Using that in the J= ave. Force * delta t would be ave Force = J/delta t. If J= mvf-mvo. Since there is no final velocity J = -mvo. When I did these equations, the answer that I got was incorrect.
 
JB83 said:
so if delta t = distance/ave speed... delta t = 0.630/10. Using that in the J= ave. Force * delta t would be ave Force = J/delta t. If J= mvf-mvo. Since there is no final velocity J = -mvo. When I did these equations, the answer that I got was incorrect.
That's on account of you did not compute the average speed correctly. Starts at 10. Ends up at 0. Average speeed is ?
 
Ok I feel somewhat silly, and I know you are trying your best to explain it to me, but I have no idea what you are trying to lead me to do. Average speed is distance/change in time... I don't know what to do. Thank you for your help though.
 
JB83 said:
Ok I feel somewhat silly, and I know you are trying your best to explain it to me, but I have no idea what you are trying to lead me to do. Average speed is distance/change in time... I don't know what to do. Thank you for your help though.
Yes, that is correct, you are trying to find the time, given the distance and the average speed.
v_{average} = (v_i + v_f)/2 = 10/2 = 5. Now if that equation disturbs you, why not use v_0^2 = 2a\Delta x, solve for a and use F=ma to solve for the avg force. More than one way to skin a cat, you know.
 
Thank you so so much. I got it, and I still feel kinda dumb.. but you were right I need to not limit myself to the equations that are in the chapter that the homework is from. Thanks again
 

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