How Do You Calculate Kinetic Energy and Momentum for Spaceships in Motion?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the kinetic energy and momentum of two spaceships, a Vulcan and a Romulan, based on their mass and the force generated by their engines over a specified time period. The context is rooted in classical mechanics, specifically focusing on the concepts of force, mass, acceleration, kinetic energy, and momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Newton's second law to find acceleration and subsequently calculates velocity, kinetic energy, and momentum for the Vulcan spaceship. They seek validation of their approach and inquire about potential overlooked factors.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative method involving impulse to calculate final velocity and energy, indicating that the original method may lead to a higher percent of error and is time-consuming.
  • There is a discussion about the efficiency of different methods and the implications of rounding errors on the results.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in evaluating different methods for solving the problem. One participant expresses appreciation for the alternative approach suggested, indicating a productive exchange of ideas. There is no explicit consensus on the best method yet, but the discussion is focused on refining understanding and improving problem-solving strategies.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that mass remains constant during the engine firing, and they are neglecting any changes due to expelled mass. The discussion also highlights concerns about accuracy and efficiency in calculations.

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Homework Statement


A Vulcan spaceship has a mass of 65,000 kg and a Romulan spaceship is twice as massive. Both have engines that generate the same total force of 9.5 x 10^6 N. Neglecting any changes in mass due to whatever is expelled by the engines, calculate the kinetic energy and momentum of each spaceship if each spaceship fires its engines for 100s, starting from rest.


Homework Equations


K=1/2mv^2
p (momentum)=mv


The Attempt at a Solution


First I dealt with the Vulcan:
F=ma--> F/m=a 9.5 x 10^6 N/ 6.5 x 10^4 kg= 146 m/s^2
Vf-Vi=a(delta-t) Vf=146m/s^2(100s)=14600 m/s^2
K=1/2mv^2=1/2(6.5 x 10^4kg)(14600 m/s)^2= 6.93 x 10^12 J

p=mv=(6.5 x 10^4kg)(14600m/s)=9.49x10^8 kg m/s

I just need to know... Am I on the right track? Are there factors I'm not taking into account?
 
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yellowgators said:

Homework Statement


A Vulcan spaceship has a mass of 65,000 kg and a Romulan spaceship is twice as massive. Both have engines that generate the same total force of 9.5 x 10^6 N. Neglecting any changes in mass due to whatever is expelled by the engines, calculate the kinetic energy and momentum of each spaceship if each spaceship fires its engines for 100s, starting from rest.


Homework Equations


K=1/2mv^2
p (momentum)=mv


The Attempt at a Solution


First I dealt with the Vulcan:
F=ma--> F/m=a 9.5 x 10^6 N/ 6.5 x 10^4 kg= 146 m/s^2
Vf-Vi=a(delta-t) Vf=146m/s^2(100s)=14600 m/s^2
K=1/2mv^2=1/2(6.5 x 10^4kg)(14600 m/s)^2= 6.93 x 10^12 J

p=mv=(6.5 x 10^4kg)(14600m/s)=9.49x10^8 kg m/s

I just need to know... Am I on the right track? Are there factors I'm not taking into account?
I'm not checking your arithmetic, but your method seems good to me :approve:.
 
Thanks!
 
touche yellowgators!
I only have 1 reproche; the method that you used makes the percent of error higher than it schoul really be. In addition your method is time consuming. Try using this method next time:
1)P=F*t=(m*v1)-(m*v2) ****v1 is initial velocity and v2 is final velocity*******
The impulse P = 9.5 x 10^6 N * 100s
P=9.5 x 10^8 N*s

2) v2 is found by:
P=(m*v2)-(m*v1) *******v1 equals to 0 *******
P=m*v2
v2=9.5 x 10^8 N*s/6.5 x 10^4 kg = 14615.38m/s

3)Potential energy(PE) = F*d
PE=9.5 x 10^6 N* (14615.38m/s/2) *100s ****d=average velocity*time********
PE=6.94*10^12J

A difference of 0.01*10^12 might not seem much but look at it again :10000000000. Wow, that is a big number!. that number schould really be larger because i aslo rounded.
well, here you go
 
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tiale11 said:
the method that you used makes the percent of error higher than it schoul really be. In addition your method is time consuming. Try using this method next time
I looked over that method. Thanks! Using the law of conservation of energy is more straightforward than how I approached the problem. That will be helpful for future problems.
 

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