How Do You Calculate Mass 2 in Different Friction Scenarios?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass of an object (mass 2) in various scenarios involving friction, given mass 1 and the coefficients of static and kinetic friction. The problem includes different conditions: mass 2 moving uniformly upward, downward, and both masses at rest.

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  • Participants discuss different approaches to calculating mass 2 based on the conditions provided. There are attempts to relate the forces acting on the masses to the coefficients of friction. Questions arise regarding the setup of the problem, including the absence of a diagram and the angle of inclination.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the inclusion of the angle in the calculations, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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There is mention of missing information, such as a diagram and the angle of inclination, which participants believe are crucial for solving the problem accurately. The original poster's reference to tension and friction also raises questions about the complete setup.

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Homework Statement

mass 1 is 2.0 kg, the static and kinetic coefficients of friction are .30 and .20 respectively.

a) What is mass 2 if it travels uniformly upward?
b) Downward?
c) mass 1 and 2 are at rest?



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Part c is the easiest. Friction and Tension are going to be the same so [tex]m_{2} = \mu_{s}m_{1}[/tex].

Part a, I did the same thing about except I used [tex]\mu_{k}m_{1}[/tex].

Part b, [tex]m_{1}g = \mu_{k}m_{1}g[/tex]
[tex]m_{2} = m_{1}/\mu_{k}[/tex]

Is this right?

Why is it that I can ace Abstract Algebra but this gives me a headache?
 
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Hi lockedup! :smile:

erm :redface: … what is the set-up? :confused:
 
I'm guessing its a triangular slope of some sort with one mass on either side.
 
Hi inutard! :smile:
inutard said:
I'm guessing its a triangular slope of some sort with one mass on either side.

ah, but then we'd have heard about a θ :wink:
 
Good point. Maybe its in the diagram that he is neglecting to show us (As he also mentions tension but he neglected to talk about a rope or string in his question).
 
Damn, I forgot to attach the picture! I'm a she BTW... lol
 

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Hi lockedup (f.)! :wink:

mmm … inutard :smile: guessed right! :biggrin:

ok then, there's a θ = 37º, which isn't in your equations …

put it in now …

what do you get? :smile:
 
Pardon me about the gender mixup! Remember that there's not only frictional force opposing direction of motion but also a force to the bottom-left (depending on the angle) that is caused by the normal force on block m1
 

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