How Do You Calculate the Magnetic Field Above a Current-Carrying Loop?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field above a current-carrying loop with a specified radius and current. The problem involves integrating to find the magnetic field contributions from both the curved part of the loop and the straight sections.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the magnetic field using integrals for both the curved and straight sections of the loop. They express confusion regarding the integral for the straight line segment and question the validity of their approach.
  • Some participants reference the case of an infinite straight wire as a potential simplification.
  • Others explore the implications of the perpendicularity of vectors involved in the calculations and how that affects the integral.
  • There is a mention of the challenges posed by non-symmetrical configurations and the potential need for numerical solutions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some have provided insights into simplifications that may arise under certain conditions, while others have raised questions about the assumptions being made. There is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the complexity of the problem increases in the absence of symmetry, and there is an acknowledgment that certain configurations may require numerical methods for solutions.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the magnetic field above a loop shown in picture with radius ##R## and current ##I##.

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Firstly, curved part:

##\vec{H}(\vec{r})=\frac{I}{4\pi }\int \frac{d\vec{{r}'}\times (\vec{r}-\vec{{r}'})}{|\vec{r}-\vec{{r}'}|^3}cos\varphi =\frac{I}{4\pi }\int \frac{Rd\varphi \hat{e}_{\varphi }\times (\vec{r}-\vec{{r}'})}{(R^2+z^2)^{3/2}}\frac{R}{\sqrt{R^2+z^2}}##

Where ##\hat{e}_{\varphi }\times (\vec{r}-\vec{{r}'})=|\hat{e}_{\varphi }||\vec{r}-\vec{{r}'}|sin\varphi \hat{n}=\sqrt{R^2+z^2}\hat{n}## and finally:

##\vec{H}(\vec{r})=\frac{I}{4\pi }\int_{\pi }^{2\pi }\frac{R^2\hat{n}d\varphi }{(R^2+z^2)^{3/2}}=\frac{IR^2}{4(R^2+z^2)^{3/2}}\hat{n}##.

For the straight line I have some troubles with the integral...

##\vec{H}(\vec{r})=\frac{I}{4\pi }\int \frac{d\vec{{r}'}\times (\vec{r}-\vec{{r}'})}{|\vec{r}-\vec{{r}'}|^3}##

Now ##d\vec{{r}'}\times (\vec{r}-\vec{{r}'})=d\vec{{r}'}\times \vec{r}## since ##d\vec{{r}'}## and ##\vec{{r}'}## are parallel. Also ##d\vec{{r}'}=dx\hat{e}_x##.

##\vec{H}(\vec{r})=\frac{I}{4\pi }\int_{-R}^{R}\frac{dx(\hat{e}_x\times \vec{r})}{((\vec{r}-\hat{e}_xx)(\vec{r}-\hat{e}_xx))^{3/2}}=\frac{I(\hat{e}_x\times \vec{r})}{4\pi }\int_{-R}^{R}\frac{dx}{(r^2-2\hat{e}_x\vec{r} x+x^2)^{3/2}}##

Now what? O.o Is this even ok?
 

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Presumably you've already done it, or seen it done, for an infinite straight wire?
 
Aha, ok, I see it now...

##\hat{e}_x\vec{r}=0## since they are always perpendicular. (My question here: What if they werent?)

In that case, things simplify a lot and the integral over the straight line should be ##\vec{H}(\vec{r})=\frac{IR}{2\pi r\sqrt{R^2+r^2}}\hat{e}_y##, where ##\vec{r} ## is the distance from the center of the straight line to point ##T##.
 
When you don't have easy symmetry, the calculation can get arbitrarily difficult.
In many cases the integral has to be solved numerically.

That is why you will only see simple geometries at this stage.
Also consider what happens to the field close to one corner of the D ;)
 

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