How Do You Calculate the Speed and Spring Constant of a Pivot-Mounted Rod?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a thin uniform rod pivot-mounted at one end, which is released from a specific angle and interacts with a spring. The participants are tasked with calculating the speed of the center of mass of the rod at a certain position and determining the spring constant based on the rod's motion and energy conservation principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation to relate potential and kinetic energy in the context of the rod's motion. Questions arise regarding how to accurately calculate potential energy, particularly considering the varying heights of different parts of the rod.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on focusing on the center of mass for potential energy calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the second part of the problem, with requests for clarification on the relevant equations and concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the equations involved in the calculations, particularly in relation to the spring constant and energy conservation principles. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify the treatment of potential energy in the context of the rod's motion.

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hi, i'll be glad to get some help with that.
thanks

A thin uniform rod has mass M = 0.5 kg and length L= 0.55 m. It has a pivot at one end and is at rest on a compressed spring as shown in (A) in the attached image. The rod is released from an angle θ1= 63.0o, and moves through its horizontal position at (B) and up to (C) where it stops with θ2 = 105.0o, and then falls back down. Friction at the pivot is negligible. Calculate the speed of the CM at (B).
The spring in (A) has a length of 0.11 m and at (B) a length of 0.14 m. Calculate the spring constant k.

I will combine that two mandatory fields as i don't understand the first of them.
In general i see that the first question is an energy conservation question.
i can use the second and third state to find the speed.
so i write an equation where the potential energy of state c equals the kinetic energy of state b, in case i choose the zero line to where the rod is parallel to the ground.
what i don't know is how to treat the potential energy. i know that the kinetic one
consists of the c.m part and the 0.5Iw^2 part but what about mgh, different parts of the rod are in different hights?

thanks
and sorry if i wasn't totally formal, i just didn't know how to
 

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zhenyazh said:
In general i see that the first question is an energy conservation question.

what i don't know is how to treat the potential energy. i know that the kinetic one
consists of the c.m part and the 0.5Iw^2 part but what about mgh, different parts of the rod are in different hights?

Hi zhenyazh! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have an omega: ω :wink:)

Yes, it's an energy conservation question.

For the gravitational PE, only the position of the centre of mass matters, so in mgh use h as the height of the centre of mass. :smile:
 
thanks
can u help me out with the second part too? i just get confused with the equations
 
zhenyazh said:
thanks
can u help me out with the second part too? i just get confused with the equations

You mean "The spring in (A) has a length of 0.11 m and at (B) a length of 0.14 m. Calculate the spring constant k." ?

Again, use conservation of energy …

at maximum compression, the KE of the rod is zero.

What do you get? :smile:
 

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