How Do You Calculate the Third Derivative of y = (5x - 1)^(1/2)?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the third derivative of the function y = (5x - 1)^(1/2). Participants explore the application of the Chain Rule and the Multiplication Rule in differentiation, including the first, second, and third derivatives. The conversation includes both verification of calculations and the use of technology for assistance.

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  • One participant outlines the steps to find the first, second, and third derivatives using the Chain Rule and Multiplication Rule, expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their final result.
  • Another participant confirms the calculations are correct and suggests using Wolfram Alpha as a verification tool.
  • A different participant shares their experience of using a graphing calculator to check the derivative and inquires about the capabilities of such calculators.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the calculations without relying solely on technology, while also noting that some calculators can compute derivatives at specific points.
  • A later reply reiterates the differentiation process and proposes a more efficient method by expressing derivatives in terms of y, suggesting that this approach simplifies the algebra involved.

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Participants generally agree on the correctness of the derivative calculations, but there is a discussion about the reliance on technology versus manual calculation methods. The effectiveness of different approaches to differentiation remains a point of exploration.

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Some participants express uncertainty about specific steps in the differentiation process, and there is a mention of the limitations of calculators in providing general derivative outputs compared to specific evaluations.

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y = (5x - 1)^{\frac{1}{2}}

So to find the 1st derivative I use the Chain Rule:

y&#039; = \frac{1}{2}(5x - 1)^{\frac{1}{2} - 1} \cdot (5 - 0) \\<br /> = \frac{5}{2}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}

2nd:

Multiplication rule [f'(x)*g(x) + f(x)*g'(x)] and Chain Rule:

y&#039;&#039; = \frac{5}{2}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{1}{2}} \\<br /> = 0\cdot (5x - 1)^{-\frac{1}{2}} + \frac{5}{2}\cdot [-\frac{1}{2}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{1}{2} - 1} \cdot (5 - 0)] \\<br /> = \frac{5}{2}\cdot (-\frac{5}{2})(5x - 1)^{-\frac{3}{2}} \\<br /> = -\frac{25}{4}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{3}{2}}

3rd:

Multiplication rule [f'(x)*g(x) + f(x)*g'(x)] and Chain Rule:

y&#039;&#039;&#039; = -\frac{25}{4}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{3}{2}} \\<br /> = 0\cdot (5x - 1)^{-\frac{3}{2}} + -\frac{25}{4}\cdot [(-\frac{3}{2}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{3}{2}-1}) \cdot (5 - 0)] \\<br /> = -\frac{25}{4}\cdot (-\frac{15}{2})(5x - 1)^{-\frac{5}{2}} \\<br /> = \frac{375}{8}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{5}{2}} \\<br /> = \frac{375}{8(5x-1)^{\frac{5}{2}}}

I think I got this one wrong but this is how I worked it out...have I done any step incorrectly here?
 
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Oh wow, I typed in "third derivative of" and then the given equation and it found the exact answer I got lol

If only my HP-15c could do this too

Do you know if graphing calculators are capable of this?
 
Certain ones are, for example the TI-89 but it's better to do these calculations without this kind of help. With great power comes great responsibility! ;)

Many calculators can calculate the derivative at a certain point, so you could type in something like Deriv(x^2, x, 2) meaning calculate the derivative of x^2 with respect to x at the point x=2 and it would output 4. Far less calculators can output the general derivative.
 
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daigo said:
So to find the 1st derivative I use the Chain Rule:

y&#039; = \frac{1}{2}(5x - 1)^{\frac{1}{2} - 1} \cdot (5 - 0) \\<br /> = \frac{5}{2}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}

2nd:

Multiplication rule [f'(x)*g(x) + f(x)*g'(x)] and Chain Rule:

y&#039;&#039; = \frac{5}{2}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{1}{2}} \\<br /> = 0\cdot (5x - 1)^{-\frac{1}{2}} + \frac{5}{2}\cdot [-\frac{1}{2}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{1}{2} - 1} \cdot (5 - 0)] \\<br /> = \frac{5}{2}\cdot (-\frac{5}{2})(5x - 1)^{-\frac{3}{2}} \\<br /> = -\frac{25}{4}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{3}{2}}

3rd:

Multiplication rule [f'(x)*g(x) + f(x)*g'(x)] and Chain Rule:

y&#039;&#039;&#039; = -\frac{25}{4}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{3}{2}} \\<br /> = 0\cdot (5x - 1)^{-\frac{3}{2}} + -\frac{25}{4}\cdot [(-\frac{3}{2}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{3}{2}-1}) \cdot (5 - 0)] \\<br /> = -\frac{25}{4}\cdot (-\frac{15}{2})(5x - 1)^{-\frac{5}{2}} \\<br /> = \frac{375}{8}(5x - 1)^{-\frac{5}{2}} \\<br /> = \frac{375}{8(5x-1)^{\frac{5}{2}}}

I think I got this one wrong but this is how I worked it out...have I done any step incorrectly here?

You can elliminate a lot of the algebra when doing this by observing that:
\[y'=\frac{5}{2}\;y^{-1}\]
so:
\[y''=-\;\frac{5}{2}y'\;y^{-2}=-\frac{25}{4}\;y^{-3}\]
Then differentiating again gives:
\[y'''=\frac{25\times 3 \times 5}{8}y^{-5}\]

CB
 
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