How Do You Construct an Orthonormal System from Functions?

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The discussion revolves around constructing an orthonormal system from the functions 1, x, and 3x^2 - 1, with a focus on the context of linear algebra and calculus, particularly in relation to orthogonality and inner products.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Gram-Schmidt process for constructing orthonormal systems and question the necessity of specifying an inner product. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between orthogonal and orthonormal vectors, as well as the process of normalization.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and sharing insights about the Gram-Schmidt process. Some guidance has been offered regarding the projection concept and the transition from orthogonal to orthonormal vectors, but no consensus has been reached on the specific steps to take next.

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Participants note that the problem is situated within a calculus homework context, and there is a mention of a weight function relevant to the inner product, which has not been fully clarified. There is also an acknowledgment of varying levels of familiarity with linear algebra concepts among participants.

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Hey,
I've taken linear algebra a long ago, and now came across a simple-looking question that i need help with

Construct an orthonormal system from the three functions:
1, x, 3x^2 - 1

Can anyone give me a pointer to solving this question?
Thanks a bunch!:blushing:
 
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Apply Gram-Schmidt?
 
oh ya, this question is from a calculus homework before we get into Fourier Series and integral, so I don't think it wants us to apply Gram-Schmidt method.
 
ortho, and normal, only make sense with respect to an inner product. You haven't given one. And just because you've not been taught the formal proof of Gram-Schmidt doesn't mean you're not supposed to figure it out on your own; it is merely projection formally written down and not at all a tricky thing to figure out on your own.
 
it was with respect to 1...
 
1 what?
I can think of many different inner products on function spaces, and polynomial rings, none of them is called 1.
 
Sorry...Here's the entire question

Show that 1, x, 3x^2 - 1 are orthogonal functions with respect to the weight function 1 on the interval [-1, 1]. Construct an orthonormal system from the three functions.


I got the first part of the question, I'm stuck on the orthnormal part.

Currently looking through linear algebra notes, not quite understanding how to do it using Gram-Schmidt.
 
You know how to do projection? Ie given vectors v and w write w as the sum of a vector parallel to v and one orthogonal to v. That's all gram schmidt is, but you just do it again, and again, and again...
 
I thought Gram-Schmidt is used to find orthogonal basis only.
Sorry I might sound dumb, but the last time I took linear algebra was 2 years ago...don't remember much from it.
 
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You can't get from a set of orthogonal vectors to a set of orthogonal vectors all of length one?
 
  • #11
how do we do that?
 
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If I were to say here are u and v two orthogonal vectors (none of which is zero), you can now write down two orthogonal vectors of length 1, right? I can't tell if you're kidding me because you think I"m being patronizing or if you can't find a vector of length one from another vector (it has been some years you say since you did this).
 
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:bugeye: I'm not a very wordy person and I learn from seeing equations and numbers and examples, I guess it's kinda hard to explain it like that. Thanks for your help, I'll think about it for now.

according to my notes, it says that a system of orthogonal functions w.r.t. weight q of [a, b] is also orthonormal if (see attachment) for all m. Is that what you meant?
 

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If v is a vector (not the zero vector) then v/|v| is a unit vector in the same direction.
 
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So if i were to rewrite the 3 functions in terms of vectors, would they become like this?

0 0 1 <-- 1
0 1 0 <-- x
3 0 -1 <-- 3x^2-1

so 1st vector would be
0
0
3
?
 
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matt grime said:
If v is a vector (not the zero vector) then v/|v| is a unit vector in the same direction.

Ok, I finally understand the part after the unit vector.
What is the next step once I've got the unit vector for each of the function?
 

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