How do you determine the volume of gas in a container?

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The discussion focuses on determining the volume and amount of argon gas in a container using the Ideal Gas Law (PV=nRT) and related equations. The measured pressure is 16.45 psi and the temperature is 298.59 K. Participants suggest that the volume can be determined by measuring the container's dimensions or using a liquid displacement method. Additionally, they emphasize that the density of argon at standard temperature and pressure (1.784 g/L) is not applicable since the gas is not at STP.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the Ideal Gas Law (PV=nRT)
  • Knowledge of gas density and molar mass (Argon: 1.784 g/L, 39.948 g/mol)
  • Familiarity with pressure units (psi) and temperature scales (Kelvin)
  • Basic principles of volume measurement techniques (liquid displacement)
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  • Learn about gas behavior under non-STP conditions.
  • Explore methods for measuring gas volume using liquid displacement.
  • Study the implications of using the Ideal Gas Law in real-world applications.
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Students in chemistry or physics, laboratory technicians, and anyone involved in gas measurement and analysis will benefit from this discussion.

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Homework Statement



I have a container filled with argon and I need to find the volume and amount of gas in the container.

I don't know the mass or volume, but the measured pressure was 16.45psi, and the temperature was 298.59K.

Homework Equations



PV=nRT

P = pressure
V = Volume
n = amount of gas
R = Gas constant (8.3145 J/mol K)
T = temperature

P=ρRT/M

ρ=gas density (Argon: 1.784 g/L @ STP)
M=molar mass (Argon: 39.948 g/mol)

The Attempt at a Solution



I can figure out the density but not the volume or amount.

Does anyone have any thoughts for how to solve with equations or with an experiment?
 
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If you only know the pressure and temperature, you can't figure out the total mass or volume. The gas could be a cubic centimeter or a cubic light year and have the same pressure and temperature.
 
Newbie12 said:

Homework Statement



I have a container filled with argon and I need to find the volume and amount of gas in the container.

I don't know the mass or volume, but the measured pressure was 16.45psi, and the temperature was 298.59K.

Homework Equations



PV=nRT

P = pressure
V = Volume
n = amount of gas
R = Gas constant (8.3145 J/mol K)
T = temperature

P=ρRT/M

ρ=gas density (Argon: 1.784 g/L @ STP)
M=molar mass (Argon: 39.948 g/mol)

The Attempt at a Solution



I can figure out the density but not the volume or amount.

Does anyone have any thoughts for how to solve with equations or with an experiment?

Can't you find the volume of the container - either by dimensions (if it's a simple geometric shape), or filling it with a liquid then measuring the volume decanted?

The gas will fill its container, so its volume will equal that of the container.

After that, you should be able to calculate the no. of moles (amount) using the ideal gas law you quoted.

BTW, how did you figure out the density of the gas in the container? Because the gas is not at STP.
 

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