How Do You Determine Which Independent Poisson Process Occurs First?

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The discussion revolves around determining the probability of one independent Poisson process occurring before another. Participants explore the modeling of arrival times in Poisson processes, particularly in the context of insurance claims, and the mathematical approaches to calculate these probabilities.

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  • One participant seeks guidance on how to start calculating the probability of one Poisson process occurring before another.
  • Another participant questions whether the modeling involves arrival times or the number of arrivals, suggesting the need to define a new random variable to compare the two processes.
  • A participant clarifies that they are modeling arrival times for a Poisson process, specifically the time until an insurance company receives a certain number of claims.
  • Another participant notes that the Poisson distribution typically describes the number of arrivals in a fixed time frame, suggesting a reformulation of the question in terms of the number of arrivals within a given period.
  • A participant explains that the time to the nth jump in a Poisson process is the sum of independent exponential random variables, leading to a chi-squared distribution, and proposes using the memorylessness property to analyze the problem as a random walk.
  • There is a mention of extending results from the case of n=1 to larger n, with a reference to the binomial distribution for determining the order of arrivals.

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Participants express different perspectives on how to approach the problem, with no consensus reached on a specific method or solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to calculate the desired probabilities.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity on whether to model arrival times or the number of arrivals, indicating potential limitations in the assumptions made. The discussion also touches on the mathematical properties of Poisson processes, which may not be fully resolved.

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I'm not sure how to get started with this:

Suppose you have two independent poisson processes, X ~ Po(Lambda1) Y ~Po (Lambda2). How would you figure out the probability of one coming before the other?

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circa415 said:
How would you figure out the probability of one coming before the other?
What are you modeling, arrival times or number of arrivals? Poisson is generally used for the latter.

In problems involving a comparison between two random variables (e.g. X < Y) one usually needs to define a new random variable, say Z = X - Y, then calculate Pr{Z < 0} from the joint distribution of X and Y.
 
thanks for the tip

I'm modeling arrival times for a poisson process. Ex: the time it takes for an insurance company to receive n claims. For instance, what is the probability that One insurance company receives n claims before another insurance company receives n claims
 
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circa415 said:
For instance, what is the probability that One insurance company receives n claims before another insurance company receives n claims
AFAIK the Poisson distribution describes the number of arrivals in a fixed time frame. This makes me think that you may want to reformulate your question as the number of arrivals in the first process being less (or greater) than those in the second process within a given time period.
 
A Po(Lambda) process models a process whose jumps (arrivals) occur at rate Lambda - probability of a jump in time dt is Lambda * dt to highest order in dt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_process" .) You could use the fact that the distance between these jumps are independent and exponentially distributed. So the time to the n'th jump (n'th claim) is the sum of n independent exponential r.v.s, which is a chi(2n)-squared distribution.

You could also work out the result for n = 1, and then extend to larger n. If t(n) is the time of the n'th arrival of X & Y combined, then look at the process Z(n) = X(t(n))-Y(t(n)). You can use the memorylessness property to show that this will be a random walk, and is given by the binomial distribution for each n. To say that the first n arrivals of X occur before the first n arrivals of Y is equivalent to Z(2n-1)>=0, which you can then get from the binomial distribution.

Do you know the result for n=1?
 
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