How Do You Evaluate the Integral of y² / √(4-3y) from 0 to 1?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral of \( \frac{y^2}{\sqrt{4-3y}} \) from 0 to 1. Participants explore various substitution methods and integration techniques, including substitution and integration by parts.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the substitution \( u=4-3y \) and expresses difficulty in obtaining the answer \( \frac{106}{405} \).
  • Another participant follows up with the same substitution and provides the transformed integral, asking for further steps.
  • A third participant expands the integral after substitution and questions the change in limits of integration.
  • A participant clarifies that all components must be adjusted according to the substitution, leading to a simplified integral expression.
  • One participant suggests an alternative method of integration by parts, providing a detailed breakdown of the process without concluding the definite integral.
  • Another participant presents a different substitution method, letting \( u \) equal the entire radical, and transforms the integral accordingly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for evaluating the integral, as multiple substitution techniques and integration approaches are discussed without agreement on a single solution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the limits of integration after substitution and the correctness of their expanded forms. There are also unresolved steps in the integration process, particularly in the integration by parts approach.

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$\int_{0}^{1} \frac{y^2}{\sqrt{4-3y}}dy$

I know there is several ways to substitute this but I chose

$u=4-3y, du=3 dy, y^2=u-4$

The answer was $\frac{106}{405}$

But I couldn't get it.
 
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Using your substitution of:

$$u=4-3y$$

we would have:

$$du=-3\,dy$$

$$y^2=\frac{(4-u)^2}{9}$$

And so the definite integral becomes:

$$I=\frac{1}{27}\int_1^4\frac{(4-u)^2}{\sqrt{u}}\,du$$

Can you proceed?
 
$\frac{1}{27}
\int_{0}^{4} \left(\frac{16}{\sqrt{u}}
-\frac{8u}{\sqrt{u}}
+\frac{{u}^{2}}{\sqrt{u}}\right)\,du$

I just expanded the denominator and parted out the fraction hope this is correct. Why is there a 4 in the interval?
 
When you make the substitution, everything in terms of $y$, the integrand, the differential and the limits of integration, need to be changed in accordance with the substitution. So that's why the limits changed. I would then simplify the integral to:

$$I=\frac{1}{27}\int_1^4 16u^{-\frac{1}{2}}-8u^{\frac{1}{2}}+u^{\frac{3}{2}}\,du$$

Now you can apply the power rule to each term in succession.
 
karush said:
$\int_{0}^{1} \frac{y^2}{\sqrt{4-3y}}dy$

I know there is several ways to substitute this but I chose

$u=4-3y, du=3 dy, y^2=u-4$

The answer was $\frac{106}{405}$

But I couldn't get it.

A good alternative is to integrate by parts several times...

$\displaystyle \int x^{2}\ (4 - 3\ x)^{- \frac{1}{2}}\ d x = - \frac{2}{3}\ x^{2}\ (4 - 3\ x)^{\frac{1}{2}} + \frac{4}{3}\ \int x\ (4 - 3\ x)^{\frac{1}{2}}\ d x = $

$\displaystyle = - \frac{2}{3}\ x^{2}\ (4 - 3\ x)^{\frac{1}{2}} - \frac{8}{27}\ x\ (4 - 3\ x)^{\frac{3}{2}} + \frac{8}{27}\ \int (4 - 3\ x)^{\frac{3}{2}}\ dx = $

$\displaystyle = - \frac{2}{3}\ x^{2}\ (4 - 3\ x)^{\frac{1}{2}} - \frac{8}{27}\ x\ (4 - 3\ x)^{\frac{3}{2}} - \frac{16}{405}\ (4 - 3\ x)^{\frac{5}{2}} + c$

The computation of the definite integral is left to You...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
$\frac{1}{27}\left[\frac{u}{4}
-\frac{-16{u}^{3/2}}{3}
+\frac{3u^{5 /3}}{5}\right]
+C$

Subst back in u and take $\left[1,4\right]$ and have answer
 
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Hello, karush!

\displaystyle\int^1_0\frac{y^2}{\sqrt{4-3y}}\,dy
Whenever I have a square root of a linear function,
$\quad$ I prefer to let $u$ equal the entire radical.

$u \,=\,\sqrt{4-3y}\quad\Rightarrow\quad u^2 \,=\,4-3y $

$\quad y \:=\:\dfrac{4-u^2}{3} \quad\Rightarrow\quad dy \:=\:-\frac{2}{3}u\,du$

Substitute: $\displaystyle\:\int\frac{(\frac{4-u^2}{3})^2}{u}\left(-\tfrac{2}{3}u\,du\right) \;=\; -\tfrac{2}{27}\int(4-u^2)^2du $

This avoids those annoying fractional exponents.


 

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