How Do You Find the Gravitational Field at a Corner of a Square?

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The problem involves calculating the gravitational field at one corner of a square due to three masses located at the other corners. The masses include two of mass m and one of mass M, with the objective to express the gravitational field in terms of the edge length l, the masses, and the gravitational constant G.

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  • Participants discuss the direction and magnitude of the gravitational field, with attempts to combine the effects of the gravitational forces from the three masses. Questions arise regarding the treatment of vector components and the addition of forces.

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Some participants have provided insights into the vector nature of gravitational fields and the importance of considering direction when summing forces. There is an acknowledgment of potential mistakes and a request for further clarification on the calculations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note the complexity of vector addition in this context and the need for careful consideration of angles and components. There is a mention of a known answer that some are trying to verify or understand better.

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Homework Statement



Three objects -- two of mass m and one of mass M -- are located at three corners of a square of edge length l as in Figure P13.23. Find the gravitational field g at the fourth corner due to these objects. (Express your answers in terms of the edge length l, the masses m and M, and the gravitational constant G).

Homework Equations



Find the magnitude and direction of the gravitational field g.


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The direction is 45 degrees (measured counterclockwise from the positive x-axis)

G((4m+M)/(2l^2)) was the final simplified answer I got for the magnitude, but it was wrong.
 

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Base equation: Gravitational field force = GMm/(l^2)

I see three gravitational forces at work:
Gm/l^2 on the y-axis

Gm/l^2 on the x axis

GM/((sqrt(2) times l)^2)

Add all three so 2Gm/2l^2 + 2Gm/2l^2 + GM/2l^2 = (G(4m+M))/(2((l)^2))
 
Welcome to PF.

Careful, as in Why do all the denominators look alike when you showed the diagonal object to have longer radius?

Never mind i see what you did.
 
Thanks. See any easy mistakes or did I go the wrong direction?
 
No I found no mistakes so I was sort of head scratching on this one, hoping someone else might see a problem if there is one. Of course these are vector fields, which might be the issue.
 
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I GOT THE ANSWER FROM A FRIEND:

(G/l^2)(M/2+sqrt(2)m)

Can anyone help me work it out now that the answer is known?
 
It is to do with the fact that the fields are vector fields.

You can't just arithmetically add the 3 fields up, you have to consider their direction. It's like if you push a block north with 1N and east with 1N the overall force is [tex]\sqrt{2}N[/tex] in the NE direction, not 2N. So I'd recommend drawing a diagram and doing a bit of pythagoras.
 
No problem, resolve the diagonal force into x and y components which can be added like scalars

cos and sin are both sqrt(2)/2 so mult your diag. expression and add to the x and y components from other forces, then calculate magnitude by taking the sqrt of sum of squares. Falls out like honey in a bucket. I suspect you'll never make this mistake again. good problem and post.
 
Hi Guys, i guess this is the answer, I'm not sure! but? if someone has a comment reply pls.xxx
tanθ = gy / gx
= [ Gm / L2 + G M /2L2 sinθ ] / [ Gm /L2 + G M / 2L2 cosθ ]

θ = tan-1 { [ Gm / L2 + G M / 2L2 sinθ ] / [ Gm /L2 + G M / 2L2 cosθ ]}
 

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