How do you find the mass of the Sun using data about planet periods and radii?

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The discussion revolves around determining the mass of the Sun using data on the orbital periods and radii of various planets. Participants are exploring the relationship between the cube of the radius (r^3) and the square of the period (T^2) as suggested by Kepler's laws.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of a specific formula related to Kepler's laws and the implications of graphing r^3 against T^2. There are questions about how to effectively use the graph to derive the mass of the Sun and the significance of the constant that emerges from this relationship.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the calculations involved and the expected outcome of the graphing exercise. There is an ongoing exploration of how to interpret the graph and its implications for calculating the mass of the Sun, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with specific data points for each planet, and there is an emphasis on the need for accurate graphing to derive meaningful results. The discussion reflects a learning environment where assumptions and methods are being questioned and clarified.

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How do find the mass of the Sun using the following data:
Planet r ... T
Mercury 57.9... 0.241
Venus 108... 0.615
Earth 150... 1
Mars 228... 1.88
Jupiter 778 ... 11.9
Saturn 1,430... 29.5
Uranus 2,870... 84
Neptune 4,500... 165
Pluto 5,900... 248

The problem says we should graph r^3 against T^2.

I assume we're meant to use:

<br /> M = \frac{4 \pi^2}{GT^2} r^3 <br />

I've tried to graph them in all sorts of different ways but I can't find out how to find the mass of the Sun using the information. Please help!
 
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sprizz said:
How do find the mass of the Sun using the following data:
Planet r ... T
Mercury 57.9... 0.241
Venus 108... 0.615
Earth 150... 1
Mars 228... 1.88
Jupiter 778 ... 11.9
Saturn 1,430... 29.5
Uranus 2,870... 84
Neptune 4,500... 165
Pluto 5,900... 248

The problem says we should graph r^3 against T^2.

I assume we're meant to use:



<br /> M = \frac{4 \pi^2}{GT^2} r^3 <br />

I've tried to graph them in all sorts of different ways but I can't find out how to find the mass of the Sun using the information. Please help!

Dear Sprizz;

The formula that you write above is one of kepler's laws. you have the periods and raidus's provided to you and the "M" value on your formula is the mass of the sun...So i think its all about calculations after that?
 
Right, but how would one use graphing T^2 and r^3 to arrive at such an answer?
 
Well all i can think is that the T2 r3 graph is going to give you a constant.It will be the value of 4Pi2/G.Msun and it should be same for all planets.If you know this value you can calculate the mass of the sun but its not really different from what i told you before, there is only a graph included... hope it helped
 
sprizz said:
Right, but how would one use graphing T^2 and r^3 to arrive at such an answer?
Try plotting T^2 on the horizontal axis and r^3 on the vertical axis. What do you get?
 

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