How do you find the number of hydrogen bonds between molecules?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the number of hydrogen bonds formed between molecules, specifically focusing on isopropyl alcohol and comparing it to water. Participants explore the factors influencing hydrogen bonding and the implications of molecular structure on bonding capacity.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to determine the number of hydrogen bonds in isopropyl alcohol, suggesting it may be either 1 or 3 based on its structure.
  • Another participant asks which hydrogens in isopropyl alcohol would be involved in hydrogen bonding if the number were three.
  • A different participant proposes that the hydrogens in the OH group of isopropyl alcohol could bond with the oxygen of other molecules, suggesting a possible bonding scenario.
  • One participant explains that in a pure ethanol scenario, the molecule has one hydrogen bond donor and can accept two hydrogen bonds, leading to a total of three hydrogen bonds with other ethanol molecules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the exact number of hydrogen bonds in isopropyl alcohol, with multiple viewpoints on the bonding possibilities and mechanisms. No consensus is reached on the specific number of hydrogen bonds.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of hydrogen bonding in different molecular environments, indicating that factors such as molecular structure and the presence of other species can influence bonding behavior.

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Hey, I'm wondering how you figure out the number of hydrogen bonds acting between molecules. I know each water molecule supposedly makes 4 hydrogen bonds with other water molecules through my reading, but I want to know how many for isopropyl alcohol, which has only one OH group. I know its less than water based on the properties of the two, but that's it. I think it may be either 1 or 3 but I am not sure how to figure this out. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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If it were three, what hydrogens on isopropyl alcohol would be involved in hydrogen bonding?
 
Hydrongens in the OH group of other molecules would be used. You could have two H from other molecules bond to the O of the original molecule and then the H (of the original molecule) bonds to the O of another. If that is allowed
 
If its H-bonding with only one species present (IE neat EtOH) just look at the molecule and find the H-bond donor(s) and H-bond acceptor(s). It can get much more complicated if there are more than one species present (IE such as a solution or a mixture etc) because other effects, such as sterics and such, may play a role as to what H-bond with what

So for EtOH, we have CH3CH2OH. One H-bond donor, but two lone pairs on the Oxygen can accept 2 H-bonds (from two other molecules of EtOH). So 1 molecule of EtOH can H-bond to three other EtOH molecules.
 

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