How Do You Give a Rigorous Proof for Fraction Multiplication?

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The discussion revolves around providing a rigorous proof for the multiplication and division of fractions, specifically the identities \(\frac{a}{b}*\frac{c}{d}=\frac{ac}{bd}\) and \(\frac{a}{b}:\frac{c}{d} =\frac{ad}{bc}\). Participants explore the necessary axioms and definitions required to substantiate these operations, focusing on the mathematical rigor involved in each step.

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  • One participant requests a rigorous proof using axioms and definitions for the multiplication of fractions.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to show prior attempts and understanding before seeking help.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about whether their current approaches constitute rigorous proofs.
  • Participants discuss the importance of justifying each step with appropriate axioms, particularly the equality \((1/b)(1/d) = 1/(bd)\).
  • One participant proposes a proof for the equality \((1/b)(1/d) = 1/(bd)\) but questions its rigor.
  • Another participant asserts that the proof provided is rigorous, given the definition of \(1/(bd)\) as the multiplicative inverse of \(bd\).
  • A participant introduces a proof for the division of fractions and seeks validation of its rigor, detailing each step and the axioms used.

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Participants express varying degrees of confidence in their proofs, with some agreeing on the need for rigorous justification while others remain uncertain about the completeness of their arguments. The discussion does not reach a consensus on what constitutes a rigorous proof.

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Participants highlight the necessity of using proper axioms and definitions, but there are unresolved questions regarding the completeness and rigor of the proofs presented. The discussion reflects a dependency on the definitions of operations and the axioms of arithmetic.

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Give a rigorous proof using the appropriate axioms and the definition ,[tex]\frac{a}{b}=a\frac{1}{b}[/tex] of the following:

[tex]\frac{a}{b}*\frac{c}{d}=\frac{ac}{bd}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{a}{b}:\frac{c}{d} =\frac{ad}{bc}[/tex]
 
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[tex]\frac{a}{b}*\frac{c}{d}= a\frac{1}{b}*c\frac{1}{d}=ac*\frac{1}{bd}=\frac{ac}{bd}[/tex]

That is how far i can go.But then this is not a rigorous proof, is there??
 
poutsos.A said:
[tex]\frac{a}{b}*\frac{c}{d}= a\frac{1}{b}*c\frac{1}{d}=ac*\frac{1}{bd}=\frac{ac}{bd}[/tex]

That is how far i can go.But then this is not a rigorous proof, is there??

You have not stated which axioms/theorems you used in the second equality.
 
commutativity and associativity
 
poutsos.A said:
commutativity and associativity

Right. How did you prove the equality:(1/b)(1/d) = 1/(bd) ?
 
The whole point of these exercices is to justify each of your steps with the proper axioms. As Slider142 said, now all that's remains to be justified is (1/b)(1/d) = 1/(bd).

But you should use more parenthesis, to highlight the use of associativity. That is, instead of

[tex] \frac{a}{b}*\frac{c}{d}= a\frac{1}{b}*c\frac{1}{d}=ac*\frac{1}{bd}=\frac{ac }{bd}[/tex]

better is

[tex]\left(\frac{a}{b}\right)\left(\frac{c}{d}\right)=\left(a\frac{1}{b}\right)\left(c\frac{1}{d}\right)=\left(\left(a\frac{1}{b}\right)c\right)\frac{1}{d}=\left(a\left(\frac{1}{b}c\right)\right)\frac{1}{d}=\left(a\left(c\frac{1}{b}\right)\right)\frac{1}{d}=\left(\left(ac\right)\frac{1}{b}\right)\frac{1}{d}=(ac)\left(\frac{1}{b}\frac{1}{d}\right)=(ac)\left\frac{1}{bd}=\frac{ac}{bd}[/tex]

and the justifications are: by definition, by associativity, by associativity, by commutativity, by associativity, by associativity, by <insert justification why (1/b)(1/d) = 1/(bd)>, by definition.
 
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slider142 said:
Right. How did you prove the equality:(1/b)(1/d) = 1/(bd) ?


The only proof i can thing of ,is the following:

[tex]\frac{1}{b}\frac{1}{d} = \frac{1}{bd}\Longleftrightarrow (bd)\frac{1}{b}\frac{1}{d} = (bd)\frac{1}{bd}\Longleftrightarrow d(b\frac{1}{b})\frac{1}{d} = 1\Longleftrightarrow d\frac{1}{d} = 1[/tex].

But then again this is not a rigorous proof ,is there??
 
poutsos.A said:
The only proof i can thing of ,is the following:

[tex]\frac{1}{b}\frac{1}{d} = \frac{1}{bd}\Longleftrightarrow (bd)\frac{1}{b}\frac{1}{d} = (bd)\frac{1}{bd}\Longleftrightarrow d(b\frac{1}{b})\frac{1}{d} = 1\Longleftrightarrow d\frac{1}{d} = 1[/tex].

But then again this is not a rigorous proof ,is there??

That's a perfectly rigorous proof, assuming your definition of 1/(bd) is as the multiplicative inverse of bd. This completes the rigor of your proof.
 
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Could the following proof of :

[tex]\frac{\frac{a}{b}}{\frac{c}{d}} = \frac{a}{b}.\frac{d}{c}[/tex], be consider as a rigorous proof??


[tex]\frac{\frac{a}{b}}{\frac{c}{d}} = \frac{a}{b}.\frac{1}{\frac{c}{d}}[/tex] =............by definition of division x/y = x.(1/y) where we put x = a/b and y= c/d



= [tex]\frac{a}{b}.\frac{1}{c.\frac{1}{d}}[/tex] =..........by the definition of the division again where we put x=c and y= d



= [tex]\frac{a}{b}\frac{1}{c}.\frac{1}{\frac{1}{d}}[/tex] =............by the use of the theorem (1/x).(1/y) = 1/xy where we put x=c and y= 1/d



= [tex]\frac{a}{b}.\frac{1}{c}.(1.\frac{1}{\frac{1}{d}})[/tex] =...........by the use of the axiom 1.x = x where we put [tex]x=\frac{1}{\frac{1}{d}}[/tex]



= [tex]\frac{a}{b}.\frac{1}{c}.[(d.\frac{1}{d}).\frac{1}{\frac{1}{d}}][/tex] =............by the fact x.(1/x) = 1 where we put x=d



= [tex]\frac{a}{b}.\frac{1}{c}.[d.(\frac{1}{d}.\frac{1}{\frac{1}{d}})][/tex] = ..........by the associative law



=[tex]\frac{a}{b}.\frac{1}{c}.(d.1)[/tex] = ..............again by the fact x.(1/x) = 1 where we put x= 1/d




= [tex]\frac{a}{b}\frac{1}{c}.d[/tex] = ..............again by the axiom 1.x =x






= [tex]\frac{a}{b}\frac{c}{d}[/tex] = ...............again by the use of the definition x/y = x.(1/y) where we put x=d and y = c
 

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