How do you integrate √(sinθ + 1)?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the expression √(sinθ + 1), particularly in the context of polar arc length problems. Participants explore various methods of integration, including substitutions and transformations, while expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches and results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integration result of -2√(1 - sinθ) but questions its validity, noting that Wolfram Alpha provides a different expression.
  • Another participant attempts to verify their integration process using a substitution (θ = sin⁻¹x) but arrives at the same result, expressing confusion about potential errors in their method.
  • A third participant confirms the derivative of -2√(1 - sinθ) matches √(1 + sinθ), yet highlights issues with domain restrictions during substitution.
  • One participant suggests a different substitution, x = tan(θ/2), as a potential method for solving the integral.
  • Another participant provides an alternative approach, expressing √(1 + sin x) in terms of sine and cosine functions, leading to a derived integral that they claim is equivalent to previous results, while also critiquing the complexity of Wolfram Alpha's output.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method or result for the integral. Multiple competing views and methods are presented, with ongoing uncertainty about the validity of various approaches.

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Participants note potential issues with domain restrictions and the validity of substitutions used in their integration attempts. There is also mention of the complexity introduced by certain methods, such as those suggested by Wolfram Alpha.

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I have a polar arc length problem that comes down to integrating √(sinθ + 1). Through double u-sub and trig sub I got it to be -2√(1 - sinθ) but that seems to be wrong. Wolfram Alpha says that the integral is [2√(sinθ + 1)(sin(θ/2) - cos(θ/2)] / [sin(θ/2) + cos(θ/2). I'm wondering how this is obtained.
 
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Ok, can someone check this for me? I must be doing something stupid but I don't know what I'm doing wrong, this has to be some special case

\displaystyle\int \sqrt{1+\sin \theta} d \theta

sub in.

\theta = \sin^{-1}x

d \theta = \displaystyle\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^{2}}}

\displaystyle\int \frac{\sqrt{x+1}}{\sqrt{(1+x)(1-x)}}dx

\displaystyle \int \frac{1}{1-x}dx

integrate and resub, but that doesn't really work out, don't know what to tell you I got the same answer

-2\sqrt{1-\sin\theta}+c
 
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saminator910 said:
Ok, can someone confirm this for me? I must be doing something really stupid but I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

\displaystyle\int \sqrt{1+\sin \theta} d \theta

sub in.

\theta = \sin^{-1}x

d \theta = \displaystyle\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^{2}}}

\displaystyle\int \frac{\sqrt{x+1}}{\sqrt{(1+x)(1-x)}}dx

\displaystyle \int \frac{1}{1-x}dx

integrate and resub, but that doesn't really work out.

-2\sqrt{1-\sin\theta}+c

It's correct. The derivative of -2\sqrt{1-\sin\theta} is
-2\frac{-\cos\theta}{2\sqrt{1-\sin\theta}} = \frac{\cos\theta}{\sqrt{1-\sin\theta}} = \frac{\sqrt{1-\sin^2\theta}}{\sqrt{1-\sin\theta}} = \sqrt{1+\sin \theta}

But apparently we are dividing by 0 somewhere here. The problem with the substitution is that we're restricting our domain of \theta to [-\frac{\pi}{2},\frac{\pi}{2}], and x to [-1,1]. When differentiating we are also further restricted to x in (-1,1).

What I've learned when doing integrals involving trigonometry is this: try the magical substitution x = \tan(\frac{\theta}{2}).

EDIT: upon some calculations i think this might not work
 
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Notice that:
$$\sqrt{1+\sin x}=\sin\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)+\cos\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)$$
Integrating gives:
$$\int \sqrt{1+\sin x}\,dx=2\left(\cos\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)-\sin\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)\right)+C$$
Multiply and divide by ##\sin\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)+\cos\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)## i.e
$$2\left(\cos\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)-\sin\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)\right)=\frac{2\left(\cos\left(\frac{x}{2} \right) - \sin\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)\right)\left( \sin\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)+\cos \left (\frac{x}{2}\right)\right)}{\sin\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)+\cos \left (\frac{x}{2}\right)}$$
Rewrite
$$\sin\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)+\cos\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)=\sqrt{1+ \sin x}$$
Hence,
$$\int \sqrt{1+\sin x}\,dx=\frac{2\sqrt{1+\sin x}\left(\cos\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)-\sin\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)\right)}{\sin\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)+\cos \left (\frac{x}{2}\right)}+C$$
The above result is same as ##2\sqrt{1-\sin x}+C##, W|A likes to complicate the things. :-p
 

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