How Do You Intuitively Understand a Topology?

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The discussion revolves around the intuitive understanding of topology, particularly focusing on the properties and implications of topological spaces. Participants explore the nature of open sets, the relationship between topology and metric spaces, and the conceptual role of topology in defining continuity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand topology as a way to qualitatively describe the distribution of elements in a set, using the excluded point topology as an example.
  • Another participant suggests that open sets can be understood as containing all points sufficiently close to their members, which leads to the conclusion that both the empty set and the entire space must be open.
  • A different viewpoint posits that topology generalizes metric spaces by removing the notion of distance, while retaining some definitions that can be reformulated in terms of open sets.
  • One participant shares a link to an external resource that discusses the nature of topologies, expressing appreciation for the insights provided by Terrance Tao.
  • A suggestion is made for a book that explains the axioms of topology, indicating its mathematical depth but relevance to the discussion.
  • There is a clarification regarding the phrasing of a previous post about the excluded point topology, with one participant questioning the wording used to describe the point p=0.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the term "excluded point" refers specifically to the point 0, addressing a misunderstanding about the original phrasing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations of topology and its implications, leading to some disagreements about terminology and understanding. No consensus is reached regarding the intuitive understanding of topology.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for clarity in definitions and phrasing, indicating potential confusion around the terminology used in discussing topological concepts.

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Hi! I'm trying to get some intuition for the notion of the topology of a set. The definition of a topology ##\tau## on a set ##X## is that ##\tau## satisfies the following:

- ##X## and ##Ø## are both elements of ##\tau##.
- Any union of sets in ##\tau## are also in ##\tau##.
- Any finite intersections of sets in ##\tau## are also in ##\tau##.

Alright, so one associates the set X with another set ##\tau## and the two together define a topological space if ##\tau## satisfies certain properties. Topology, as I understand it, is the study of the most qualitative features of a space. Have i understood it properly if i say that the role of the topology ##\tau## is to distribute the elements in ##X## in a certain way?

For example in the excluded point topology on the real line, the point ##p = 0##, is given by

$$\tau_E = \{\mathbb{R}\}\cup\{S \subseteq \mathbb{R} : 0 \notin S\}.$$

So while the point zero is in the set of reals it is not in the topology and therefore not in the topological space. Thus the topology has distributed the set of points in a certain way.

So how do you like intuitively to think about a topology and it's role?
 
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There is an intuitive way to think about what the open sets, or the elements of the topology represent. An open set is essentially a set which 'contains all points sufficiently close to its members.'

From that idea, it is easy to see why the empty set and the space itself must be open. The space itself contains all points, so it certainly contains all the points 'sufficiently close to its members.' The empty set contains no points, and therefore there is no point in the empty set whose neighbors are also not contained in it.

Once you get the intuitive idea of what an open set is, you can use that concept to construct other concepts. For example, an 'isolated point' x does not have any neighbors, therefore the set {x} is open. You can then define an 'isolated point' as a point x such that {x} is open.
 
It's just a type of generalization of a metric space. We lose the notion of distance, that's all. A lot of definitions from metric spaces carry over, just recast in terms of open sets instead of metrics (some things don't e.g. Cauchy sequences).
 
The book "Modern differential geometry for physicists" by Chris Isham explains very well where the axioms of topology come from. Don't worry about the name; it's quite mathy.
 
center o bass said:
For example in the excluded point topology on the real line, the point ##p = 0##, is given by

$$\tau_E = \{\mathbb{R}\}\cup\{S \subseteq \mathbb{R} : 0 \notin S\}.$$

So while the point zero is in the set of reals it is not in the topology and therefore not in the topological space. Thus the topology has distributed the set of points in a certain way.

So how do you like intuitively to think about a topology and it's role?


Notice that the topology is a set who's elements are sets, namely open subsets of the reals, and is not itself a subset of the reals, but of its power set.

I don't know what you mean by "the point p=0 is given by"
 
"Topology" is essentially the study of the abstract concept of "continuity".

I don't know what you mean by "the point p=0 is given by"

He didn't say that. Look more closely. He said "excluded point topology on the real line, the point p=0 , is given by". The phrase "the point p= 0" is enclosed in commas indicating that the "excluded point" is the point 0
 

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