How do you know when to multiply denominators

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The discussion revolves around the process of adding and subtracting fractions with different denominators, specifically focusing on when to multiply the denominators and when to find the least common multiple (LCM) instead. Participants provide examples and explore different methods for determining common denominators.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that when adding fractions with different denominators, it is necessary to change the denominators to be the same, but questions when to multiply the denominators versus finding the LCM.
  • Another participant explains the process of finding the LCM of the denominators, providing examples with the numbers 5 and 6, and 6 and 12, to illustrate how to determine the LCM and when multiplication is needed.
  • A third participant agrees with the explanation and mentions that multiplying the denominators is always an option, suggesting that using the LCM is a shortcut.
  • One participant reiterates their initial question about when to multiply the denominators, indicating a lack of clarity or understanding.
  • A later reply critiques the arithmetic skills of the original poster, suggesting they need to refresh their understanding of fractions and provides a resource for improvement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of multiplying denominators versus finding the LCM, with some supporting the use of LCM as a shortcut while others emphasize that multiplication is always an option. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the clarity of the arithmetic concepts involved, as well as the varying levels of understanding among participants about working with fractions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking clarification on adding and subtracting fractions, particularly those who are struggling with the concepts of common denominators and LCM.

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when you are adding or subtracting fractions with different denominators you are supposed to change the denominators so they are the same. Some times you multiply both denominators together and other times you don't. So how do you know when to multiply the denominators and when not to ? Here is a example 2/5 + 5/6 you are supposed to multiply 6 and 5 to get 30 but on this problem 5/6 7/12 you don't multiply the two bottom numbers.
 
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What you're actually doing is finding the Least Common Multiple (LCM) of the denominators. That is, what is the smallest number that is divisible by both denominators.
Let's list out the multiples of 5 and 6 to illustrate this:

5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, ...
6, 12, 18, 24, 30, 36, 42, ...

Notice that the first number to appear in both of these lists is 30. This means that 30/5 is an integer, and so is 30/6.
Now let's look at 6 and 12

6, 12, 18, 24, 30, ...
12, 24, 36, ...

The first number is 12. See how the numbers sort of overlap? 6 goes into 12, so when you list the multiples of 6 and 12, you'll get a small LCM number (unlike with 5 and 6 which didn't happen for a little while).

If the Highest Common Factor (HCF) of two numbers is 1, then the LCM of the two numbers is their product.

Factors of 5 and 6:
5 = 1, 5
6 = 1, 2, 3, 6

The largest number in both of these lists is only 1, which means that 5 and 6 have no common factors, so you need to multiply the two numbers to make the denominator equal.

Factors of 6 and 12:
6 = 1,2,3,6
12 = 1,2,3,4,6,12

The largest in both of these lists is 6, so this means that the LCM of the two numbers is going to be less than 6*12 = 72. Since the HCF is 6, then the LCM is 6*12 / 6 = 12.

Another example:

9 and 15. The factors are
9 = 1,3,9
15 = 1,3,5,15

The HCF is 3, so the denominator you are aiming for is going to be 9*15/3 = 9*5 = 45.

Checking the multiples of 9 and 15:
9,18,27,36,45, ...
15,30,45, ...

45 is the first to appear, so it seems to work.
 
You got a brilliant answer above. Note that you can always multiply the denominators if you want to. Using the LCM is a sort of short cut. So, for example

5/6 + 7/12 = (60 + 42)/72

Will give you the same answer as

5/6 + 7/12 = (10 + 7)/12

If you reduce both fractions to their lowest form, of course. Try simplifying those two answers above and see if you get the same result.

Which way did you find easier?
 
jim1174 said:
when you are adding or subtracting fractions with different denominators you are supposed to change the denominators so they are the same. Some times you multiply both denominators together and other times you don't. So how do you know when to multiply the denominators and when not to ? Here is a example 2/5 + 5/6 you are supposed to multiply 6 and 5 to get 30 but on this problem 5/6 7/12 you don't multiply the two bottom numbers.
Based on your post here and another one a day or two ago, it appears to me that your arithmetic skills need some work, particularly those related to working with fractions. I would advise you to spend some time refreshing them. Khanacademy would be a good place to start -- http://www.khanacademy.org/math/arithmetic/fractions.
 

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