How Do You Minimize the Sum of One Number and Twice Another Given Their Product?

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The problem involves finding two positive numbers whose product is 200, while minimizing the sum of one number and twice the other. This falls under the subject area of optimization in algebra or calculus.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the variables, expressing the product constraint and attempting to minimize the sum. There are questions regarding the correctness of algebraic manipulations, particularly concerning critical numbers and factorization.

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Some participants have provided hints and insights into the problem structure, suggesting a relationship between the terms in the function to be minimized. There is an acknowledgment of errors in calculations, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraint that both numbers must be positive, and there is an emphasis on the algebraic relationships derived from the product condition.

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Homework Statement


find two positive numbers with product of 200 such that the sum of one number and twice the second number is as small as possible.



2. The attempt at a solution

my work:
xy=200 ==> y = 200/x
x+2y = s (what we need to minimize)
x+2(200/x) =s
x+400x^-1 = s
1-400x^-2 = ds/dx
(x^2-400)/x^2 = dx/dx
(x-200)(x+200)/(x^2) = ds/dx
crit numbers: 0, 200, -200 (not included because the domain is x>0)
 
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Nitrate said:

Homework Statement


find two positive numbers with product of 200 such that the sum of one number and twice the second number is as small as possible.



2. The attempt at a solution

my work:
xy=200 ==> y = 200/x
x+2y = s (what we need to minimize)
x+2(200/x) =s
x+400x^-1 = s
1-400x^-2 = ds/dx
(x^2-400)/x^2 = dx/dx
(x-200)(x+200)/(x^2) = ds/dx
crit numbers: 0, 200, -200 (not included because the domain is x>0)

Are you sure that [itex]x^2-400=(x-200)(x+200)[/itex]. What is 200*200??
 
micromass said:
Are you sure that [itex]x^2-400=(x-200)(x+200)[/itex]. What is 200*200??

oh wow >.> what a silly error.
 
Nitrate said:

Homework Statement


find two positive numbers with product of 200 such that the sum of one number and twice the second number is as small as possible.



2. The attempt at a solution

my work:
xy=200 ==> y = 200/x
x+2y = s (what we need to minimize)
x+2(200/x) =s
x+400x^-1 = s
1-400x^-2 = ds/dx
(x^2-400)/x^2 = dx/dx
(x-200)(x+200)/(x^2) = ds/dx
crit numbers: 0, 200, -200 (not included because the domain is x>0)

Here is a little hint that applies to ANY problem of the form min f(x) = Ax + B/x with A,B>0 (and we want x > 0). At the min, both terms of f are *equal*, so Ax = B/x. That means that x = sqrt(B/A). (Remembering equality of the two terms is easier than remembering the final formula.)

By the way, that "equality" result follows from calculus, but can also be obtained without using calculus---that is the basis of so-called "Geometric Programming".

RGV
 

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