How Do You Model a Random Variable with Random Parameters in Its Distribution?

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The discussion centers on modeling a random variable X that follows a Beta distribution with random parameters a and b. Participants explore the implications of treating a and b as random variables and how this affects the distribution of X, including considerations of joint and conditional distributions.

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  • One participant suggests discussing the joint distribution of X, a, and b before computing the marginal distribution of X.
  • Another participant notes that the distribution of X depends on how a and b are distributed, indicating that knowledge of their distributions is crucial for calculating X's distribution.
  • A participant questions the relevance of the marginal distribution in this context, arguing that they do not want to ignore the information from a and b, suggesting a focus on the conditional distribution X|a,b instead.
  • A later reply provides a mathematical formulation for the cumulative distribution function of X, incorporating the joint density of a and b and emphasizing the conditional nature of X given a and b.

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Participants express differing views on whether to focus on marginal or conditional distributions, indicating a lack of consensus on the best approach to model X in relation to its parameters a and b.

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Participants highlight the dependence of the distribution of X on the distributions of a and b, but do not resolve the implications of this dependence or the specific conditions under which their arguments hold.

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Say if I had a random variable [tex]X[/tex] that followed a Beta distribution [tex]B(a,b)[/tex], and [tex]a[/tex] and [tex]b[/tex] were random variables.

How would I define the distribution of [tex]X[/tex]??
 
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Well, I imagine you would first want to talk about the joint distribution of X, a, and b. Then you can worry about trying to compute the marginal distribution of X.
 
Basically Hurkyl said it depends on how a and b are distributed. Once you know this you can calculate the distribution of X using the standard procedures.
 
Then you can worry about trying to compute the marginal distribution of X

Why would X be a marginal distribution??
Wikipedia says
In probability theory, given two jointly distributed random variables X and Y, the marginal distribution of X is simply the probability distribution of X ignoring information about Y

But in my situation I do not want to ignore the information from the other variables, ie. variables a and b.

It seems to me that I should look for the conditional distribution ie. [tex]X|a,b[/tex]??
 
matfor said:
Say if I had a random variable [tex]X[/tex] that followed a Beta distribution [tex]B(a,b)[/tex], and [tex]a[/tex] and [tex]b[/tex] were random variables.

How would I define the distribution of [tex]X[/tex]??
Let [tex]f(x,y)[/tex] be the joint density of [tex]a[/tex] and [tex]b[/tex]. (You can modify the following if one or both of them are discrete.) Then

[tex]F_X(c) = P(X \le c) = E[P(X \le c | (a,b))].[/tex]

This gives

[tex]F_X(c) = \int_0^\infty\int_0^\infty<br /> P(X \le c | (a,b) = (x,y))f(x,y)\,dx\,dy.[/tex]

By hypothesis, the distribution of [tex]X[/tex] given [tex](a,b)[/tex] is Beta. So

[tex]F_X(c) = \int_0^\infty\int_0^\infty<br /> I_c(x,y)f(x,y)\,dx\,dy,[/tex]

where [tex]c\mapsto I_c(x,y)[/tex] is the CDF of a Beta random variable with parameters [tex]x[/tex] and [tex]y[/tex].
 

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