How Do You Set Up Double Integrals Over a Semicircular Region?

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The discussion revolves around setting up double integrals over a semicircular region defined by the equation y = 4 - x² and y = 0. Participants explore different methods for establishing the limits of integration for both vertical and horizontal strips without evaluating the integrals.

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  • Some participants propose using vertical strips for integration, noting the limits as -2 to 2 for x and 0 to √(4 - x²) for y.
  • Others suggest using horizontal strips, with bounds from 0 to 2 for y and -√(4 - y²) to √(4 - y²) for x, and mention the symmetry of the integrand.
  • A participant points out a potential misunderstanding regarding the region's definition, clarifying that y = 4 - x² describes a parabolic region rather than a semicircle, and suggests that the intended function might be y = √(4 - x²).
  • Another participant confirms the correction regarding the function and acknowledges the confusion over the region's description.
  • There are also comments about similarities between users, raising questions about identity but ultimately concluding it to be coincidence.

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Participants generally agree on the need to clarify the region's definition, with some confusion about whether it describes a semicircle or a parabolic region. Multiple competing views on the setup of the integrals remain, with no consensus reached on a single method.

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There is a noted ambiguity in the original description of the region, which affects the setup of the integrals. The discussion includes assumptions about the interpretation of the boundary functions.

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Set up an integral for both orders of integration.
DO NOT EVALUATE THE INTEGRAL.

Let S S = double integrals

Let R = region

S S (x^2 + y^2) dA

R: semicircle bounded by y = {4 - x^2}, y = 0

I can graph the region but have no idea how to proceed from there. I need solution steps.
 
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Harpazo said:
Set up an integral for both orders of integration.
DO NOT EVALUATE THE INTEGRAL.

Let S S = double integrals

Let R = region

S S (x^2 + y^2) dA

R: semicircle bounded by y = {4 - x^2}, y = 0

I can graph the region but have no idea how to proceed from there. I need solution steps.

We should first note that the two boundary functions intersect at $\displaystyle \begin{align*} (2, 0) \end{align*}$ and $\displaystyle \begin{align*} (-2, 0) \end{align*}$, so if we use vertical strips, then they will go from x = -2 to x = 2. Each strip is bounded below by y = 0 and bounded above by $\displaystyle \begin{align*} y = \sqrt{4 - x^2} \end{align*}$, so that means our region of integration is

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} 0 \leq y \leq \sqrt{4 - x^2} \end{align*}$ with $\displaystyle \begin{align*} -2 \leq x \leq 2 \end{align*}$
 
Thank you everyone.
 
Let's look at the region over which we are to integrate:

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If we use horizontal strips, we see they are bounded on the left by $x=-\sqrt{4-y^2}$ and on the right by $x=\sqrt{4-y^2}$, however, we find the integrand is an even function so we may use the first quadrant area, and double it. We also see the strips run from $y=0$ to $y=2$, and so our integral becomes:

$$I=2\int_0^2\int_0^{\sqrt{4-y^2}} x^2+y^2\,dx\,dy$$

Evaluating, we obtain:

$$I=\frac{2}{3}\int_0^2\left(\left[x^3+3xy^2\right]_0^{\sqrt{4-y^2}}\right)\,dy=\frac{2}{3}\int_0^2 (4-y^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}+3y^2(4-y^2)^{\frac{1}{2}}\,dy=4\pi$$

Now if we use vertical strips, we see they are bounded on the bottom by $y=0$ and on the top by $y=\sqrt{4-x^2}$, and run from $x=-2$ to $x=2$, although we may employ the same even function symmetry we used before, to write the integral as:

$$I=2\int_0^2 \int_0^{\sqrt{4-x^2}} x^2+y^2\,dy\,dx=4\pi$$

We see that in this integral because of the symmetry of the region over quadrants I and II, and the even-symmetry of the integrand, the two dummy variable of integration can simply be interchanged. :D
 

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Thank you everyone.
 
In the original post we are told that the region is "the semicircle bounded by y = {4 - x^2}, y = 0". But that is not a semi-circle, it is a parabolic region. Every one assumed that what was meant was [math]y= \sqrt{4- x^2}[/math]. Is that correct?
 
HallsofIvy said:
In the original post we are told that the region is "the semicircle bounded by y = {4 - x^2}, y = 0". But that is not a semi-circle, it is a parabolic region. Every one assumed that what was meant was [math]y= \sqrt{4- x^2}[/math]. Is that correct?

Yes, you are right.
It should be y = sqrt{4 - x^2}.
 
Harpazo said:
Yes, you are right.
It should be y = sqrt{4 - x^2}.

I didn't notice before, but you share some striking similarities with another user here:

  • Sometimes writes a square root as {x}.
  • States that $\LaTeX$ sometimes hides behind text.
  • Says "Thank you everyone."
  • Has the same IP address.
Coincidence? (Thinking)
 
MarkFL said:
I didn't notice before, but you share some striking similarities with another user here:

  • Sometimes writes a square root as {x}.
  • States that $\LaTeX$ sometimes hides behind text.
  • Says "Thank you everyone."
  • Has the same IP address.
Coincidence? (Thinking)

Yes, coincidence.
 
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Harpazo said:
Yes, coincidence.

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Moving on...
 

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