How Do You Solve Group Ring Isomorphisms in Mathematics?

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The discussion revolves around the problem of solving group ring isomorphisms, specifically focusing on the isomorphisms of group rings associated with cyclic groups over various fields. Participants explore definitions, provide examples, and seek clarification on the conditions under which these isomorphisms hold.

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  • One participant presents several group ring isomorphism questions involving cyclic groups and asks for assistance in solving them.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the original post, asking for definitions and clarifications regarding the notation used, such as the distinction between F and \mathbb{F}, and the meaning of \Re and C.
  • A later reply provides a complete statement of the problem, defining isomorphism over a field and specifying the group rings to be analyzed.
  • One participant claims to have solved the problem and outlines a method involving the evaluation homomorphism and the Chinese Remainder Theorem, providing detailed steps for each isomorphism.
  • There is a lack of consensus on the clarity of the original question and the definitions used, as well as on the correctness of the proposed solutions.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the original question and its notation. While one participant claims to have solved the problem, others raise questions about the definitions and context, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in terms of clarity and agreement on the solutions.

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Participants note potential ambiguities in the notation and definitions used, such as the meaning of F versus \mathbb{F}, and the context of the direct products in the isomorphisms. There are also unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the isomorphisms presented.

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I have about 5 questions all of a similar form ...

\mathbb{F}[C_2] \cong \mathbb{F} \times \mahbb{F}

if 1+1 \neq 0 in \mathbb{F}

\Re [C_3] \cong \Re \times C

\Re [C_4] \cong \Re \times \Re \times C

these were on the first sheet given out and I still don't know how to do them after 4 weeks, any help on how to do them??
 
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"Do them"? Do you mean prove them? Start by writing out the definitions.
(I would have thought that \mathbb{F} was a field but apparently not.)

What are C2, C3, C4?
 
I guess C_n is the cyclic group of order n. But still, what the OP posted doesn't make a lot of sense, e.g. what's the distinction between F and \mathbb{F}? Also, is \Re actually \mathbb{R}? (The former is the "real part" of a complex number, the latter is the set of real numbers.) And, in the last two, what is C? Finally, in what context are the direct products being taken?
 
obviously i haven't made myself clear, i'll post the question in it's entirety...

Let A,B be algebras over a field F. We say that A and B are isomorphic over F written A\cong_F B when there exists a bijective ring homomorphism \varphi : A \rightarrow B which is also linear over F, i.e. satisfies \\\varphi(a\lambda) = \varphi(a) \lambda \mbox{ for all a} \in A \ \lambda \in F

show that i) F[C_2] \cong_F F \times F if 1+1 not equal 0 in F
ii) R[C_3] \cong_R R \times C

iii) \\ R[C_4] \cong_R R \times R \times C

iv) \\ R[C_6] \cong R \times R \times C \times C


here R = field of real numbers, C = field of complex numbers, F is an arbitrary field although in the question it is constrained by the given condition. Also all C_n's are cyclics and by F[C_n] we mean the group ring of C_n over F, that is the ring whose elements are linear combinations of the group elements with coefficients in F.
 
For some reason this problem popped into my head today, so I gave it another go and managed to solve it. There are two things we need:
(1) F[C_n] \cong_F F[x]/(x^n - 1). This can be easily proved using the evaluation homomorphism at a generator of C_n.
(2) The http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/ChineseRemainderTheorem2.html . (The CRT is something that slipped my mind at the time.)

So now we have:
F[C_2] \cong F[x]/(x^2 - 1) \cong F[x]/(x+1) \times F[x]/(x-1) \cong F \times F

\mathbb{R}[C_3] \cong \mathbb{R}[x]/(x^3 - 1) \cong \mathbb{R}[x]/(x-1) \times \mathbb{R}[x]/(x^2 + x + 1) \cong \mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{C}

\mathbb{R}[C_4] \cong \mathbb{R}[x]/(x^4 - 1) \cong \mathbb{R}[x]/(x-1) \times \mathbb{R}[x]/(x+1) \times \mathbb{R}[x]/(x^2 + 1) \cong \mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{C}

\mathbb{R}[C_6] \cong \mathbb{R}[x]/(x^6 - 1) \cong \mathbb{R}[x]/(x-1) \times \mathbb{R}[x]/(x+1) \times \mathbb{R}[x]/(x^2+x+1) \times \mathbb{R}[x]/(x^2-x+1) \cong \mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{C} \times \mathbb{C}

Better late than never I suppose!
 
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