How Do You Solve the Areas Between Curves Problem Involving Unknown Functions?

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The problem involves finding the area between curves defined by the equations y=x², y=2x², and y=a², as well as the area between y=x², y=f(x), and x=a, where f(x) is an unknown function. The original poster attempts to establish a relationship between these areas under certain conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster calculates the area A and attempts to express it in terms of a definite integral. They express confusion regarding the calculation of area B due to the unknown function f(x). Some participants suggest verifying the conditions related to f(x) without needing to interpret it directly.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of the conditions f(0)=0 and f(x)≤x². There is a focus on understanding how these conditions relate to the areas being equal and the nature of the graphs involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the verification of conditions and the interpretation of the integral.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating an unknown function and the implications of area equality without needing the curves to intersect at specific points. There is a recognition that the relationship between A and B does not necessitate common points on the graphs.

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Homework Statement


Let a > 0 be a fixed real number. Define A to be the area bounded between y=x2,y=2x2, and y=a2. Define B to be the area between y = x2, y = f(x), and x = a where f(x) is an unknown function.
a) Show that if f(0) = 0, f(x) ≤ x2, and A = B then

int 0-->a2 [y1/2-(y/2)1/2] dy = int 0--> a [x2 - f(x)] dx

b) Find f(x) under the conditions above are true for all a > 0

Homework Equations



I guess the equations for the lines, y=x2, y=2x2, y=a2
and y=x2, y=f(x), and x=a

The Attempt at a Solution



The first thing I did was try to find the area A.
A= int 0-->a2 [y1/2-(y/2)1/2] dy
A= (2/3)y3/2 - (1/sqrt2)(2/3)y3/2| eval. 0 and a2
A= (2/3)a3 - (1/sqrt2)(2/3)a3
A= a3((2/3) - (1/sqrt2)(2/3))
a= (2/3)a3(1- (1/sqrt2))

Then I tried to find the area B, but this is where I got confused.
B= int 0--> a [x2 - f(x)] dx
B= [(1/3)x3|eval. 0-->a] - [int 0-->a [f(x)]]

I don't see how I can go any farther, because I don't think I can integrate an unknown f(x). Am I going about this the wrong way?
 
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The relation does not require you to interpret the unknown f(x).
Take another look at what you have to show.

If A=B then the relation drops out. The trick is to verify the other two conditions.
 
Are the other conditions f(0)=0 and f(x)≤x2? I don't understand how to verify those, would it have to do with the graph of the region? Since A=B and for A, both of the curves have a point at (0,0) so B must have two points there also?

And how should I go about part b, do I just solve for f(x)?
 
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Are the other conditions f(0)=0 and f(x)≤x2?
Yes.

I don't understand how to verify those, would it have to do with the graph of the region?
Yes.

Since A=B and for A, both of the curves have a point at (0,0) so B must have two points there also?
No.
A=B just means the areas are the same - the graphs do not have to have points in common for that to happen.

i.e. what would happen to the RHS if f(x) > x^2

And how should I go about part b, do I just solve for f(x)?
You should make sure you understand part (a) first, but basically you can separate out the integral in f(x) and use your understanding of the properties of integrals.
 

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