Area between two curves (x = cos(y) and y = cos (x))

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The discussion revolves around finding the area between the curves defined by the equations x = cos(y) and y = cos(x). Participants explore different approaches to calculate this area and question the nature of specific values involved in the integration process.

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  • One participant attempts to express the area in terms of integrals, defining areas A1, A2, and A3, while questioning the value of Xi and its properties. Others suggest using symmetry to simplify the area calculation and discuss the necessity of numerical methods for finding certain values.

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The conversation includes various interpretations of the area calculation, with some participants providing alternative integral expressions. There is acknowledgment of the need for numerical solutions to find specific points, but no consensus on a single method has been reached.

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Participants note the challenge of determining the intersection point Xi and the implications of overlapping areas in their calculations. The discussion also touches on the correct notation for integrals, indicating some confusion about mathematical expressions.

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Give the area marked in the graph (graph as jpg file)
Relevant Equations
x = cos y
y = cos x
x E [0,1] and y E [0,1]
I tried this:
X = cos(y) → y = arccos(x) for x E(-1,1) and y E (0,2)
Then:
There's a point I(Xi,Yi) in which:
Cos(Xi) =Arccos(Xi)
Then I said area1 (file: A1)
A1 = ∫cosx dx definite in 0, Xi
And A2 (file:A2):
A2 = ∫cosy dy definite in 0, Yi
And the overlapping area as A3 (file: A3):
A3 = ∫Yi dx definite in 0, Xi

And total area, then, is:
A = A1 + A2 - A3

I had trouble finding the value of Xi though. The best Approach I could find is 3/4, but I had not found a method further narrow the aprroach answer. I think Xi is an irrational number, I'd want to know if it has a name and definition to it like Pi or Euler's Number to find it.
I'd want to know if there's another method to calculating this area also.
 

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By symmetry, the area you want is <br /> 2 \int_0^{X} \cos x - x \,dx where X = \cos X. Unfortunately that can only be solved numerically.
 
pasmith said:
By symmetry, the area you want is <br /> 2 \int_0^{X} \cos x - x \,dx where X = \cos X. Unfortunately that can only be solved numerically.
Thank you very much, but isn't it?
\int_0^{X} \ 2cos x - X \,dx
where X = \cos X.
To discount the overlapping area?
And could you explain me what is "numerically'?
(The int should be the integral symbol. Really don't know how to use it)
 
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No. There is no overlapping area if your first .jpg is the correct area. The integral$$
A = 2\int_0^p \cos x - x~dx$$is correct (here ##p## is the value where ##\cos p = p##). What he means by having to do it numerically is the fact that even though you can integrate to get $$A =2\sin(p) - p^2$$you still have to find ##p## numerically. (About 0.7390851332).
 
igorrn said:
Thank you very much, but isn't it?
int_0^{X} \ 2cos x - X \,dx
where X = \cos X.
To discount the overlapping area?
Note that ##X \ne x##. Either method will get you the same answer.
 
igorrn said:
(The int should be the integral symbol. Really don't know how to use it)
It's this: \int
As a definite integral, \int_{a}^{b}. Note that you don't need the braces for a limit of integration that is one character, but you do need them for two or more characters. I.e., \int_0^{2 \pi}
 

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