How do you solve the equation (x+y-1)dx+(y-x-5)dy=0?

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation (x+y-1)dx+(y-x-5)dy=0, which falls under the subject area of differential equations. Participants are exploring various substitution methods to simplify the equation and facilitate a solution.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts a substitution approach with variables x=u+h and y=v+k, aiming to eliminate constant terms. Some participants suggest defining a new variable to express relationships between v and u, while others express difficulty in rearranging the equation to isolate variables effectively.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on how to manipulate the equation. There is recognition of the need to express the right-hand side in terms of a single variable to apply separation of variables. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts and clarifications, with no explicit consensus reached.

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There is an indication that participants are working under constraints related to the complexity of the substitutions and the need for clarity in rearranging the equation. The original poster's struggle with the transformations highlights the challenges inherent in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



Solve (x+y-1)dx+(y-x-5)dy=0

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x=u+h
y=v+k

Therefore

h=-2 and k=3

Therefore

(u+v)du+(v-u)dv=0

\frac{dv}{du}=\frac{u+v}{u-v}

This is where I'm stuck. I can't solve the equation above. I have a feeling I need to rearrange so that I have a function of \frac{v}{u} on the right hand side, but I am unable to rearrange it to attain this.

Any suggestions?

Thank-you
 
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The purpose of the initial substitution was to find an appropriate h,k such that the constant terms in the eqn in the OP vanished and hence arrive at precisely the form you now have. Define another variable ##f = \frac{v}{u}## after rearranging the RHS of your eqn.
 
CAF123 said:
The purpose of the initial substitution was to find an appropriate h,k such that the constant terms in the eqn in the OP vanished and hence arrive at precisely the form you now have. Define another variable ##f = \frac{v}{u}## after rearranging the RHS of your eqn.

OK, I have tried this already. I still get stuck however.

g=\frac{v}{u}

v=gu

\frac{dv}{du}=u\frac{dg}{du}+g

so when you sub this into \frac{dv}{du}=\frac{u+v}{u-v} you get

u\frac{dg}{du}+g=\frac{\frac{v}{g}+gu}{\frac{v}{g}-gu}

And I'm still stuck. This seemed even more complicated than before the substitution.
 
skyturnred said:
OK, I have tried this already. I still get stuck however.

g=\frac{v}{u}

v=gu

\frac{dv}{du}=u\frac{dg}{du}+g

so when you sub this into \frac{dv}{du}=\frac{u+v}{u-v} you get

u\frac{dg}{du}+g=\frac{\frac{v}{g}+gu}{\frac{v}{g}-gu}

And I'm still stuck. This seemed even more complicated than before the substitution.

You have the eqn $$\frac{dv}{du} = \frac{u+v}{u-v} = \frac{1 + \frac{v}{u}}{1 - \frac{v}{u}}$$ You correctly computed dv/du to obtain ##u\frac{dg}{du} + g## but the RHS of the eqn that you wrote above is incorrect. You want a RHS to be entirely in terms of g and u so you can apply separation of variables.
 
CAF123 said:
You have the eqn $$\frac{dv}{du} = \frac{u+v}{u-v} = \frac{1 + \frac{v}{u}}{1 - \frac{v}{u}}$$ You correctly computed dv/du to obtain ##u\frac{dg}{du} + g## but the RHS of the eqn that you wrote above is incorrect. You want a RHS to be entirely in terms of g and u so you can apply separation of variables.

Thank-you. I will be able to solve it from here on.

My biggest issue was in realizing that \frac{u+v}{u-v}=\frac{1+\frac{v}{u}}{1-\frac{v}{u}}

After this I rearranged to

\frac{du}{u}=\frac{1-g}{1+g^{2}}dg

I should be able to solve this using techniques of integration.

Thank-you once again
 

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