How Do You Solve These Logarithm Equations?

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The discussion revolves around solving logarithmic equations, specifically focusing on three distinct equations involving logarithms. The equations presented include quadratic forms and ratios of logarithmic expressions, prompting participants to seek assistance in finding solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants suggest making substitutions to simplify the equations, such as letting z = lg x. There are also hints regarding the interpretation of logarithmic expressions and their domains, particularly concerning complex versus real numbers. Some participants express confusion over the notation used for logarithms and seek clarification on the specific type of logarithm being referenced.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning the clarity of the equations and the definitions of logarithmic terms. Some hints and suggestions have been provided, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretations or methods to solve the equations.

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There are ambiguities in the notation of the logarithmic equations, leading to questions about the intended meaning of "lg" and the specific logarithmic base. Participants are working within the constraint of real numbers only, which may affect the approaches taken.

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Homework Statement



i.2(lgx)^2 - lgx = 0

and

ii. lg(2x-2)^2= 4lg(1-x)

and

iii. lgx-6 / lgx-4 = lgx.

I simply do not manage to solve these equations, and I would therefore be happy for all help. Thanks in advance.
 
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Hints:

i) and iii) Make the substitution z = lg x, and solve for z. What do you get?

ii) Notice that: lg (2x - 2) = lg[(-2)(1 - x)]. Now, if lg represents a principal value of the logarithm with a branch cut along the negative real axis, then:

<br /> \mathrm{lg} \left[(-2)(1 - x) \right] = \mathrm{lg}(e) \cdot \ln{\left[(-2)(1-x) \right]} = \left\lbrace<br /> \begin{array}{ll}<br /> \mathrm{lg}(e) \cdot [\ln(2) + \ln(1-x)] = \mathrm{lg}(2) + \mathrm{lg}(1 - x) &amp;, \ \mathrm{Arg}(1-x) \le 0 \\<br /> <br /> \mathrm{lg}(e) \cdot [\ln(2) + \ln(1-x) - 2 \pi \, i] = \mathrm{lg}(2) + \mathrm{lg}(1 - x) - 2 \pi \, \mathrm{lg}(e) \, i &amp;, \ \mathrm{Arg}(1-x) &gt; 0<br /> \end{array}\right.<br />

Then, substitute z = lg(1 - x) and solve the equsation for z. Make sure that the condition for Arg(1 - x) is satisfied in the proper case.
 
Dickfore said:
Hints:

ii) Notice that: lg (2x - 2) = lg[(-2)(1 - x)]. Now, if lg represents a principal value of the logarithm with a branch cut along the negative real axis, then:

<br /> \mathrm{lg} \left[(-2)(1 - x) \right] = \mathrm{lg}(e) \cdot \ln{\left[(-2)(1-x) \right]} = \left\lbrace<br /> \begin{array}{ll}<br /> \mathrm{lg}(e) \cdot [\ln(2) + \ln(1-x)] = \mathrm{lg}(2) + \mathrm{lg}(1 - x) &amp;, \ \mathrm{Arg}(1-x) \le 0 \\<br /> <br /> \mathrm{lg}(e) \cdot [\ln(2) + \ln(1-x) - 2 \pi \, i] = \mathrm{lg}(2) + \mathrm{lg}(1 - x) - 2 \pi \, \mathrm{lg}(e) \, i &amp;, \ \mathrm{Arg}(1-x) &gt; 0<br /> \end{array}\right.<br />

This is the only one I can't figure out. Isn't there an easier way?
 
First of all, what do you mean by "lg"? Second, what is the domain in which you solve this equations? Is it complex numbers, or are you restricted to real numbers only?
 
Dickfore said:
First of all, what do you mean by "lg"? Second, what is the domain in which you solve this equations? Is it complex numbers, or are you restricted to real numbers only?


Lg = Logarithm
Real numbers only, but no worries, I think I worked it out.

Thanks!
 
Kjos said:

Homework Statement



i.2(lgx)^2 - lgx = 0

and

ii. lg(2x-2)^2= 4lg(1-x)

and

iii. lgx-6 / lgx-4 = lgx.

I simply do not manage to solve these equations, and I would therefore be happy for all help. Thanks in advance.

(ii) Is ambiguous. Do you mean
[lg(2x-2)]^2 = 4 lg(1-x), or do you mean
lg[(x-2)^2] = 4 lg(1-x)?

(iii) As written, (iii) is
(lg x) - (6/lg x) - 4 = lg x. Did you mean that? Or, did you mean
lg(x-1)/lg(x-4) = lg x? Or did you mean
[lg(x-1)/lg x] - 4 = lg x?

You need to use brackets to make things clear.

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
(ii) Is ambiguous. Do you mean
[lg(2x-2)]^2 = 4 lg(1-x), or do you mean
lg[(x-2)^2] = 4 lg(1-x)?

(iii) As written, (iii) is
(lg x) - (6/lg x) - 4 = lg x. Did you mean that? Or, did you mean
lg(x-1)/lg(x-4) = lg x? Or did you mean
[lg(x-1)/lg x] - 4 = lg x?

You need to use brackets to make things clear.

RGV

My mistake. Check the link. http//bildr.no/view/1297631
 
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Kjos said:
My mistake. [PLAIN]http://bildr.no/view/1297631[/QUOTE]

So, what are the answers to the questions I asked? Also, someone asked you what "lg" represents, and you said "logarithm". But, there are three kinds of logarithms most commonly used : (i) logarithms to base 2; (ii) logarithms to base 10; and (ii) natural logarithms. Just saying "logarithm" does not really help us; you need to specify what type of logarithm you mean.

RGV
 
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Ray Vickson said:
So, what are the answers to the questions I asked? Also, someone asked you what "lg" represents, and you said "logarithm". But, there are three kinds of logarithms most commonly used : (i) logarithms to base 2; (ii) logarithms to base 10; and (ii) natural logarithms. Just saying "logarithm" does not really help us; you need to specify what type of logarithm you mean.

RGV

I don't know actually, but I think it is logarithms to base 10.

And regarding you question, please check out the link attached above.

The correct answers are:

iii. X = 1000 or X = 100

ii. x =-1

However, it is not that important since I've got until monday.
 
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If the symbol is given as logx it is the default one, with the base of 10. In other cases you have the logarithm given as lognX - where n is the base and it is equal to log10X/log10n and finally you have the natural logarithm ln X which has a base of e - so ln X = logeX. Hope that clarifies it for you :)
 
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lendav_rott said:
If the symbol is given as logx it is the default one, with the base of 10. In other cases you have the logarithm given as lognX - where n is the base and it is equal to log10X/log10n and finally you have the natural logarithm ln X which has a base of e - so ln X = logeX. Hope that clarifies it for you :)

Unfortunately, what you say is not completely correct: many authors use log x to mean ln x, etc., so you really do need to check. Often if one wants to use a base other than e, one uses a subscript like log10(x) or log2(x) or an index notation like log[10](x), etc. I think usage has changed a lot during the more than 50 years since I was in school; then log(x) really did always mean log[10](x). Now, not so much.

RGV
 

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