How Do You Solve This Complex Logarithmic Equation?

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The discussion revolves around solving a complex logarithmic equation of the form 2log(x-3)^2=log(x-3)+3, with the condition that x>3. Participants are exploring the implications of the logarithmic properties and the potential values of x.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to manipulate the logarithmic equation using properties of logarithms, questioning the interpretation of the equation, particularly regarding the base of the logarithm and what exactly is being squared. There are discussions about the implications of different interpretations on the solution.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations being discussed. Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the logarithmic properties, while others are clarifying the structure of the equation. No consensus has been reached on the correct interpretation or solution path.

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Participants are noting the ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the base of the logarithm and the expression being squared, which affects the interpretation of the equation. The condition x>3 is emphasized as a constraint for valid solutions.

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Homework Statement


2log(x-3)^2=log(x-3)+3

Homework Equations


x>3

The Attempt at a Solution


2log(x^2-6x+9)-log(x-3)=3
log(x-3)=3
Not sure where to go from here seeing that it factores and becomes x=3 which makes the solution undefined
 
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Prototype44 said:

Homework Statement


2log(x-3)^2=log(x-3)+3


Homework Equations


x>3


The Attempt at a Solution


2log(x^2-6x+9)-log(x-3)=3
log(x-3)=3
You seem to have lost the coefficient of the first log term.
If what you had on the left was log(x2 - 6x + 9) - log(x - 3), then you could simplify this to log[(x2 - 6x + 9)/(x - 3)], but that's not what you have.

Instead of expanding the (x - 3)2 as you did, use the properties of logs to write 2log(x - 3)2 so that it is log(something).

On the right, 3 = log(103) = log(1000).
Prototype44 said:
Not sure where to go from here seeing that it factores and becomes x=3 which makes the solution undefined
 
I'm not sure what the equation exactly is.

First of all, what is the logarithm base? In the Precalculus books that I've seen (I'm in the US), no base means log base 10. However, I think I heard that in other places no base means natural logarithm.

Second, I'm not sure what is squared. Is it just (x-3) that is squared, or should it be like this?
2[log(x-3)]2=log(x-3)+3
(in other words, the entire expression log (x-3) is squared)

If you mean the former, then you lost the coefficient in front of the log(x-3)2 somewhere.

EDIT: Beaten to it.
 
Prototype44 said:

Homework Statement


2log(x-3)^2=log(x-3)+3
Using "laws of logarithms", 2log(x-3)^2= 4 log(x- 3) and then
4 log(x- 3)- log(x-3)= 3 log(x-3)= 3 so that log(x-3)= 1.
If the logarthm is base 10 that says x- 3= 10. If it is base e, x- 3= e.

Homework Equations


x>3


The Attempt at a Solution


2log(x^2-6x+9)-log(x-3)=3
log(x-3)=3
Not sure where to go from here seeing that it factores and becomes x=3 which makes the solution undefined
 
HallsofIvy said:
If the logarthm is base 10 that says x- 3= 10. If it is base e, x- 3= e.

That's what I got but it doesn't work. But, treating it as a quadratic, I got x=10\sqrt{10}+3, which does work, as well as 13 again. Why is this?
 
It would be helpful if you clarified for us exactly what the problem is. A couple of things are not clear to us:
1. Does "log" mean log10 or loge (same as ln). I assumed you meant log10.
2. Is the expression on the left side 2 log( (x - 3)2) or 2 (log(x-3))2? IOW, what is being squared?
 
Does "log" mean log10 or loge (same as ln). I assumed you meant log10

since a base is missing it is assumed to be base 10

Is the expression on the left side 2 log( (x - 3)^2) or 2 (log(x-3))^2? IOW, what is being squared

it is 2log((x-3))^2 i just transformed it in the question
 
I will solve this problem right now satisfying the specifications laid

2log(x-3)^2=log(x-3)+3
log(x-3)^4=log(x-3)+3
log(x-3)^3=3
3log(x-3)=3
log(x-3)=1
x-3=10
x=13
 
Prototype44 said:
since a base is missing it is assumed to be base 10
it is 2log((x-3))^2 i just transformed it in the question
That is exactly what you wrote originally. It does NOT answer Mark44's question and does not make sense: "f(x)^2" is meaningless unless you interpret it as (f(x))^2. But in your original question, you wrote as log(x^2- 6x+ 9) which is ln((x-3)^2) and could be more easily written as 2ln(x-3).

If you really meant (ln(x-3))^2, then you have a quadratic equation: let y= ln(x- 3) and the equation becomes 2y^2= y+ 3. That is, of course, the same as 2y^2- y- 3= (2y- 3)(y+ 1)= 0 which has roots y= ln(x- 3)= 3/2 and y= ln(x- 3)= -1. From the first, x-3 = 10^{3/2} and x= 3+ 10^{3/2} which is about
34.6. From the second, x- 3= 10^{-1}= 0.1 so that x= 3.1.
 

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