Exponential and logarithmic Equation Problems

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This thread discusses problems related to exponential and logarithmic equations, focusing on evaluating expressions and solving equations without the use of a calculator.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the evaluation of logarithmic expressions, questioning the correct application of logarithmic properties. There are attempts to rewrite equations in different forms and to clarify the steps taken in solving the equations. Some participants express uncertainty about their approaches and seek validation of their reasoning.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and suggestions for approaching the problems. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of logarithmic identities and the need to check solutions. Multiple interpretations of the problems are being explored, and there is a collaborative effort to clarify the steps involved.

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Participants are working under the constraint of not using calculators, which influences their approaches to solving the equations. There are also discussions about potential typos and the need for careful checking of work.

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Homework Statement



Evaluate each of the following expressions without using a calculator.

1) log216√8Solve for the unknown value in each of the following equations without using a calculator.

2) 3(x+4)−5(3x)=684

3) 7(42x)=28(4x)

Homework Equations



Exponent law for multiplication

The Attempt at a Solution



1)

log2(16)√8
=log232√2
=log2321/2

Im not really sure what to do at this point or if my approach is just completely wrong

2)

3(x+4)−5(3x)=684
=(3x)(34)-5(3x)=684
Let a = 3x
(a)(34)-5a=684

Once again I am not sure if my approach is completely wrong or I am just at a loss on what to do afterward.

3)

7(42x)=28(4x)
7(4x)2=28(4x)
Let a=4x
7a2=28a
a2=28a/7
a2=4a

Im not sure what to do after this
 
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##\log_2 ((16)\sqrt{8})## or ##\sqrt{8}\times \log_2 ((16))## ?
 
Buffu said:
##\log_2 ((16)\sqrt{8})## or ##\sqrt{8}\times \log_2 ((16))## ?

The former

I edited the OP to make it a little clearer
 
onemic said:
The former

I edited the OP to make it a little clearer

Use ##\log_a(bc) = \log_a(b) + \log_a(c)##, ##16 = 2^4## and same for ##\sqrt{8}##.

For the other two you need to take log on both sides.
 
so the first one would be:

##\log_2(16) + \log_2(\sqrt{8})##
##\log_2(2^4) + \log_2(2\sqrt{2})##

and I am not really sure what to do with the square root

For the other two questions, is what I have so far correct and I need to take the log on both sides from the point where I am at or is the whole thing wrong?
 
onemic said:
so the first one would be:

##\log_2(16) + \log_2(\sqrt{8})##
##\log_2(2^4) + \log_2(2\sqrt{2})##

and I am not really sure what to do with the square root

For the other two questions, is what I have so far correct and I need to take the log on both sides from the point where I am at or is the whole thing wrong?

No you are not getting it. You should try to use ##\log_a(b^c) =c\log_ab##. Now if ##a =b## then ##c\log_a(a) = ?##

onemic said:
For the other two questions, is what I have so far correct and I need to take the log on both sides from the point where I am at or is the whole thing wrong?

What you did is correct, now you need to solve for 'a' then take log to 'x'.
 
onemic said:
so the first one would be:

##\log_2(16) + \log_2(\sqrt{8})##
##\log_2(2^4) + \log_2(2\sqrt{2})##

Write ##\sqrt{8}## in form of 2a, power of 2 .
 
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onemic said:
2)

3(x+4)−5(3x)=684
=(3x)(34)-5(3x)=684
Let a = 3x
(a)(34)-5a=684

Once again I am not sure if my approach is completely wrong or I am just at a loss on what to do afterward.
How much is 34?

onemic said:
3)

7(42x)=28(4x)
7(4x)2=28(4x)
Let a=4x
7a2=28a
a2=28a/7
a2=4a

Im not sure what to do after this
Rewrite the equation in form a2-4a =0, and factor out a. Remember, a product is zero if any of the factors is zero. What solutions do you get for a? Are both valid?
 
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Sorry for the super late reply. I decided to continue on with other questions and the next unit before coming back to this.
1)

##\log_2(16) + \log_2(\sqrt{8})##
##\log_2(2^4)(2^3)^{0.5}##
##\log_2(2^4)(2^{1.5})##
##\log_2(2^{5.5})##
##5.5\log_2(2)##
##=5.5##

2)

wow I don't know why this question shook me. The answer was in my face the entire time haha.
(starting from where I left off in the OP)
##81a-5a=684##
##76a=684##
##a=684/76##
##a=9##
##3^x=9##
##x=2##

3)
(starting from where I left off in the OP)
##a^2=4a##
##4^{2x}=(4)4^x##
##4^{2x}=4^{x+1}##
##2x=x+1##
##2x-x=1##
##x=1##

EDIT: thanks for the heads up on the typo
 
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onemic said:
Sorry for the super late reply. I decided to continue on with other questions and the next unit before coming back to this.
1)

##\log_2(16) + \log_2(\sqrt{8})##
##\log_2(2^4)(2^3)^\color{red}{0.5}##
##\log_2(2^4)(2^{1.5})##
##\log_2(2^{5.5})##
##5.5\log_2(2)##
##=5.5##

2)

wow I don't know why this question shook me. The answer was in my face the entire time haha.
(starting from where I left off in the OP)
##81a-5a=684##
##76a=684##
##a=684/76##
##a=9##
##3^x=9##
##x=2##

3)
(starting from where I left off in the OP)
##a^2=4a##
##4^{2x}=(4)4^x##
##4^{2x}=4^{x+1}##
##2x=x+1##
##2x-x=1##
##x=1##

I guess it is correct except one typo.
 
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onemic said:
(starting from where I left off in the OP)
##81a-5a=684##
##76a=684##
##a=684/76##
##a=9##
##3^x=9##
##x=2##
It's a good habit to get into to check your answer by substituting your value of x in the original equation.
onemic said:
3)
(starting from where I left off in the OP)
##a^2=4a##
##4^{2x}=(4)4^x##
##4^{2x}=4^{x+1}##
##2x=x+1##
##2x-x=1##
##x=1##
You started off in the direction that @ehild suggested, but then went off in a different direction. Following the direction she suggested you would have this:
##4^{2x} - 4\cdot4^x = 0##
##4^x(4^x - 4) = 0##
Are you sure there aren't solutions other than x = 1, which is the one you showed?
 
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Mark44 said:
It's a good habit to get into to check your answer by substituting your value of x in the original equation.

You started off in the direction that @ehild suggested, but then went off in a different direction. Following the direction she suggested you would have this:
##4^{2x} - 4\cdot4^x = 0##
##4^x(4^x - 4) = 0##
Are you sure there aren't solutions other than x = 1, which is the one you showed?
doing it that way I get:

##a^2-4a=0##
##a(a-4)=0##
##a=4## or ##a=0##

##a=4##
##4^x=4##
##x=1##

##a=0##
##4^x=0##
*no solutions*

therefore the correct answer is ##x=1##
 
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onemic said:
doing it that way I get:

##a^2-4a=0##
##a(a-4)=0##
##a=4## or ##a=0##

##a=4##
##4^x=4##
##x=1##

##a=0##
##4^x=0##
*no solutions*

therefore the correct answer is ##x=1##
Looks good!
 
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