How Does a Bead Behave on a Rotating Hoop?

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The problem involves a bead of mass m sliding on a circular hoop of radius a, which is rotating about a vertical axis with a fixed angular velocity ω. The discussion focuses on deriving the kinetic and potential energy of the bead, formulating the equation of motion, and analyzing the conditions for stable equilibrium based on the relationship between angular velocity and gravitational acceleration.

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  • Participants discuss the expressions for kinetic and potential energy, with some questioning the correctness of the kinetic energy formulation. There is exploration of the equation of motion derived from the Lagrangian approach, and attempts to understand the conditions for stable equilibrium.

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There is ongoing dialogue regarding the kinetic energy expression, with some participants agreeing on its validity while others express confusion. The discussion has moved towards analyzing equilibrium points and the nature of oscillations, with suggestions to consider expansions around equilibrium positions.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the geometry of the situation and the implications of different terms in the equations. There is acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings regarding the setup and the relationships between variables.

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Homework Statement



Consider a bead of mass m that can slide freely on a circular hoop of radius a which lies in a vertical plane. The hoop rotates about a vertical axis through its centre at fixed angular velocity \omega. The angle \theta is the polar angle of the bead measured from the downward vertical.

1. Find the kinetic and potential energy of the bead.

2. Find the bead's equation of motion.

3. Show that for \omega^{2}a < g the bead can remain in a stable equilibrium at the bottom of the hoop, otherwise this position is unstable.

4. In the case \omega^{2}a > g find the new position \theta^{*} of stable equilibrium and calculate the angular frequancy \Omega of small oscillations about this position.


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I worked out the answers for the first 2 questions myself (see below)


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1. The kinetic energy is \stackrel{1}{2}ma^{2}(\omega^{2}sin^{2}(\theta)+ \stackrel{.}{\theta}^{2})

The potential energy is mga(1-cos(\theta))

The above are just from the geometry of the situation

2. The equation of motion of the bead is \stackrel{..}{\theta} = (\omega^{2}cos(\theta) - g/a)sin(\theta)

This just comes from using the Lagrangian L=T+V and treating it as a function of \theta and \stackrel{.}{\theta}

3 and 4. This is where I am getting stuck! When I set to zero dv/d\theta I get mgasin(\theta)=0 which does not relate to \omega! Would it be necessary to use minimise an effective potential instead? I've tried this but the algebra is not going anywhere and a little insight would be helpful.
 
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I don't think your kinetic energy is right. You should have three terms since the kinetic energy ought to be 1/2*m*v.v, where v velocity of the bead.
 
I agree with his Kinetic energy expression - the velocities are confined to different planes- this should mean the dot product between is zero. Or have I screwed my geometry up there something rotten?
 
The KE is correct. It's the sum of two orthogonal velocities, the part along the hoop and the part related to the rotation of the hoop.
 
As for the rest of the problem, you can think of the right side of the theta eom as a 'force'. The equiibrium points are where it vanishes. Take the theta=0 point, if you expand to first order in theta, you get
<br /> \stackrel{..}{\theta} = (\omega^{2} - g/a) \theta<br />

Now you can see that if the factor in front of the theta is positive, then if theta moves away from zero it will keep accelerating away. If it's negative, it will accelerate back. It must be obvious where the other equilibrium point is, right? Play the same game there and write an expansion in terms of dtheta, where dtheta is the difference from equilibrium. To get the oscillation frequency, notice these expansions look like harmonic oscillators.
 
Yes, sorry. I read the question wrong!
 

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