How Does a Bead on a Ring Exhibit Circular Motion?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a bead of mass m moving on a smooth circular ring of radius a in a vertical plane. The discussion centers around the bead's speeds at the highest and lowest points of its path, and the participants are tasked with deriving expressions related to its motion and the forces acting on it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy to derive the speed of the bead at different points and explore the forces acting on the bead at the highest point. There is a focus on the equations of motion and the relationships between kinetic and potential energy.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the calculations and have pointed out the importance of sign conventions in the equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to finding the reaction force on the bead, with multiple interpretations being considered.

Contextual Notes

One participant requests a sketch to clarify the problem setup, indicating that visual representation may aid in understanding the forces involved. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the angle and the application of forces.

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Circular Motion!

Homework Statement


A bead of mass m moves on a smooth circular ring of radius a which is fixed in a vertical plane. Its speed at A, the highest point of its path, is v and its speed at B, the lowest part of its path, is 7v.

a) show that v= [square root](ag/12)

b) find the reaction of the ring on the bead, in terms of m and g, when the bead is at A


Homework Equations


F=mv 2 /r
EK= 1/2mv2
EP= mgh

The Attempt at a Solution



a)
At point A
EK= 1/2mv2
EP= 2mga

At point B
GPE= 0
EK= 1/2m(7v)2

(Conservation of energy)
1/2m(7v)2 = 1/2mv2 + 2mga
(m's cancel)(multiply through by 2)
49v2= v2 + 4ag
48v2= 4ag
v2= 4ag/48 = ag/12
v=[square root](ag/12)

That I am fine with, its part b which confuses me!

b)
mv2/r + mg = R
(r=a)(v2= ag/12)
mag/12a + mg= R
mg/12 + mg= R
R=13mg/12

But that isn't correct! any help would be greatly appreciated =]
 
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Is there a sketch to the problem?
I think R= mgcos(P) +...
while we need to find angle P, or I'm imaging the case all wrong.
but I'm not sure, If You could show me a sketch I could be greater help.
 


RoryP said:
b)
mv2/r + mg = R
Careful with signs. I'll use positive = up and negative = down:

ΣF = ma
-mg + R = -mv²/a

(and so on..)
 


is that because v^2/r = acceleration
ahhh that would give you an answer of 11mg/12 which is the correct answer! Thanks for your help =]
 
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