How Does a Cylindrical Pulley System Exhibit Simple Harmonic Motion?

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The problem involves a uniform cylindrical pulley system with a dead weight and a point mass, exploring the conditions for simple harmonic motion (SHM) and the calculation of angular frequency for small oscillations.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the angular frequency of oscillations using energy conservation and rotational dynamics, but questions arise regarding the proportionality to the angle of displacement.
  • Some participants question the signs in the equations and the treatment of translational versus rotational motion.
  • There are discussions about notational clarity, particularly regarding the use of ω in different contexts.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's approach, providing feedback on potential errors and suggesting areas for clarification. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of energy terms and notation, but no consensus has been reached on the correct formulation.

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There is a mention of a figure that was provided to aid understanding, and the original poster expresses some confusion regarding the use of LaTeX for mathematical expressions.

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Homework Statement


A uniform cylindrical pulley of mass M and radius R can freely rotate about the horizontal axis O. The free end of a thread tightly wound on the pulley carries a dead weight A. At a certain angle \alpha it counter balances a point mass m fixed at the rim of the pulley. Find the angular frequency of small oscillations of the arrangement (refer figure).


The Attempt at a Solution



Let the mass of the dead weight be m1
Considering rotational equilibrium about O, we have
m1gR = mgRsin\alpha
i.e. m1 = msin\alpha

Let the pulley be displaced through a small angle \theta in the clockwise direction.

The Total Energy of the system after rotation through the small angle is-
E = mgRcos(\alpha + \theta) - m1gR(\alpha+\theta) + Iω²/2 + m1ω²R²/2

As the system is conservative, the time derivative of energy is 0
dE/dt = 0

on solving the above equation,
I got dω/dt = mgRsin\alpha + m1gR/(I + m1R2)

Now m1 = msin\alpha and I = MR²/2 + mR² ( I did not include m1R² as I already took its kinetic energy as m1ω²R²/2)

on solving further,

d\omega/dt = 2mgsin\alpha/[(1+sin\alpha)mR +MR/2]

which is not proportional to \theta!
and hence not a S.H.M.

The answer given is ω² = 2mgcos\alpha/[MR + 2mR(1+sinα)]

Please help!
 

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a figure will help
 
I attached it now.
 
Did it help?
 
Abdul Quadeer said:
E = mgRcos(\alpha + \theta) - m1gR(\alpha+\theta) + Iω²/2 + m1ω²R²/2
Five comments:
  1. Check your signs. You have a sign error here.
  2. The mass A is undergoing pure translational motion. The cylinder is undergoing pure rotational motion. Combining these two to form one value, Iω²/2, is not a good idea.
  3. You have made a notational error here that will hurt you later. You are obviously using ω=dθ/dt here. That's fine, but later on you are using ω to denote the harmonic oscillator frequency. That frequency is not equal to dθ/dt.
  4. Purely stylistic comment: Don't mix latex math with HTML math. The results are strikingly ugly and hard to read. Stick with one or the other.
  5. Here's an HTML alpha: α

As the system is conservative, the time derivative of energy is 0
dE/dt = 0

on solving the above equation,
I got dω/dt = mgRsin\alpha + m1gR/(I + m1R2)
This does not follow from your earlier result. Hint: What happened to θ?
 
D H said:
Check your signs. You have a sign error here.

Thanks Sir! I got my answer.

Purely stylistic comment: Don't mix latex math with HTML math. The results are strikingly ugly and hard to read. Stick with one or the other.

I am new to Latex, sorry for inconvenience.
Thanks for your advise.
 

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