How Does a Galilean Transformation Affect the Wave Function?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Galilean transformations to the wave function of a nonrelativistic particle, specifically examining how the wave function, energy, and momentum change under such transformations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the multiplication of the wave function and transformation factor, questioning the treatment of terms in the exponent. There is a focus on the implications of using the same symbols for different quantities and the expectations regarding energy and momentum in different frames.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the importance of distinguishing between initial and transformed quantities. There is an ongoing exploration of how the expressions for momentum and energy evolve under the transformation, with various interpretations being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion arising from using identical symbols for different physical quantities, which may lead to misunderstandings in the transformation process. There is also a recognition that kinetic energy varies between frames, prompting further inquiry into the assumptions made regarding energy conservation.

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Homework Statement


$$\Psi = Ae^{\frac{i}{\hbar}(px-\frac{p^2}{2m}t)}$$
where ##p = \hbar k## and ##E = \hbar \omega = \frac{p^2}{2m}## for a nonrelativistic particle.
Find ##\Psi'(x',t')##, E' and p', under a galilean tranformation.

Homework Equations


$$\Psi'(x',t') = f(x,t)\Psi(x,t)$$
where,
$$f(x,t) = e^{\frac{i}{\hbar}(-mvx + \frac{1}{2}mv^2t)}$$

For the galilean tranformation, ##x' = x - vt## and ##t' = t##

The Attempt at a Solution


When multiplying f and ##\Psi##, the terms in the exponents will add. I am looking for the terms in the exponent that are multiplied by ##\frac{i}{\hbar}##. Since both f and ##\Psi## have ##\frac{i}{\hbar}## in the exponent, this can be factored out. So I only need to add the terms in the exponents ignoring the ##\frac{i}{\hbar}##. This gives
$$-mvx + \frac{1}{2}mv^2t+px-\frac{p^2}{2m}t$$
Since ##E= \frac{p^2}{2m} = \frac{1}{2}mv^2##, the expression becomes
$$-mvx +px$$
From the galilean tranformations, ##p=-mv##, so the expression becomes
$$2px = 2p(x'+vt') = 2px' + 2pvt'$$
I would then expect ##p' = 2p## and ##E' = 2pv##. I initially expected E' to be E and p' to be ##-p##. I know my calculated result is wrong, but I cannot figure out where I made a mistake using the tranformation.
 
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doggydan42 said:

Homework Statement


$$\Psi = Ae^{\frac{i}{\hbar}(px-\frac{p^2}{2m}t)}$$
where ##p = \hbar k## and ##E = \hbar \omega = \frac{p^2}{2m}## for a nonrelativistic particle.
Find ##\Psi'(x',t')##, E' and p', under a galilean tranformation.

Homework Equations


$$\Psi'(x',t') = f(x,t)\Psi(x,t)$$
where,
$$f(x,t) = e^{\frac{i}{\hbar}(-mvx + \frac{1}{2}mv^2t)}$$

For the galilean tranformation, ##x' = x - vt## and ##t' = t##

The Attempt at a Solution


When multiplying f and ##\Psi##, the terms in the exponents will add. I am looking for the terms in the exponent that are multiplied by ##\frac{i}{\hbar}##. Since both f and ##\Psi## have ##\frac{i}{\hbar}## in the exponent, this can be factored out. So I only need to add the terms in the exponents ignoring the ##\frac{i}{\hbar}##. This gives
$$-mvx + \frac{1}{2}mv^2t+px-\frac{p^2}{2m}t$$
Since ##E= \frac{p^2}{2m} = \frac{1}{2}mv^2##, the expression becomes
$$-mvx +px$$
From the galilean tranformations, ##p=-mv##, so the expression becomes
$$2px = 2p(x'+vt') = 2px' + 2pvt'$$
I would then expect ##p' = 2p## and ##E' = 2pv##. I initially expected E' to be E and p' to be ##-p##. I know my calculated result is wrong, but I cannot figure out where I made a mistake using the tranformation.
Watch out, you are using the same symbols for different things, which leads to difficulties. Let's call ##E_i,p_i## the initial energy en momentum. When you do your boost, the ##mv## and ##1/2 mv^2## appearing in your ## f(x,t)## are not in general equal to the initial values so you must use different symbols to distinguish them. Also, why would you expect ##E'=E##? The kinetic energy is different in different frames.
 
nrqed said:
Watch out, you are using the same symbols for different things, which leads to difficulties. Let's call ##E_i,p_i## the initial energy en momentum. When you do your boost, the ##mv## and ##1/2 mv^2## appearing in your ## f(x,t)## are not in general equal to the initial values so you must use different symbols to distinguish them. Also, why would you expect ##E'=E##? The kinetic energy is different in different frames.

So if I use separate p's, then in the formula:
$$-mvx + \frac{1}{2}mv^2t+px-\frac{p^2}{2m}t = (p-mv)x + (\frac{1}{2}mv^2-\frac{p^2}{2m})t$$
After applying the galilean tranformation and some simplification, I arrived at
$$(p-mv)x' + (pv-\frac{1}{2}mv^2-\frac{p^2}{2m}) = (p-mv)x' - \frac{1}{2m}(p-mv)^2t'$$
So that gives ##p' = p-mv## and ##E' = \frac{1}{2m}(p-mv)^2##
 
doggydan42 said:
So if I use separate p's, then in the formula:
$$-mvx + \frac{1}{2}mv^2t+px-\frac{p^2}{2m}t = (p-mv)x + (\frac{1}{2}mv^2-\frac{p^2}{2m})t$$
After applying the galilean tranformation and some simplification, I arrived at
$$(p-mv)x' + (pv-\frac{1}{2}mv^2-\frac{p^2}{2m}) = (p-mv)x' - \frac{1}{2m}(p-mv)^2t'$$
So that gives ##p' = p-mv## and ##E' = \frac{1}{2m}(p-mv)^2##
Perfect! Do you see that this is indeed what one would expect?
 
nrqed said:
Perfect! Do you see that this is indeed what one would expect?
Yes, I noticed it is what you expect for the momentum and energy with a galilean tranformation. Thank you!
 

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