How Does a Rain Catchment System Affect Water Levels in a Tank?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the functionality of a rain catchment system and its impact on water levels in a tank. Participants explore the mechanics of water flow, the design of the system, and practical considerations for installation.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the water tank will fill completely or if it will only reach the level of the red pipe, suggesting that common sense may indicate a limitation due to the need for water to "push" its way up.
  • Another participant argues that for the system to work as intended, the vertical part of the red pipe must have more volume than the tank, recommending placing the red pipe at the top of the tank.
  • A different participant confirms that the tank can fill to the level of the red pipe inlet, provided there is a hole at the top of the tank, while also noting potential issues with leaks and damage to the pipe.
  • Another contribution introduces the concept of an “inverted siphon” and emphasizes the need for an air vent at the top of the tank, along with suggestions for maintenance access to the red pipe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of the system and the implications of the water level in the tank relative to the red pipe. No consensus is reached regarding the optimal design or functionality of the system.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors that could affect the system's performance, such as the size of the catchment area, rainfall, flow rate, and structural considerations, but these remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in rainwater harvesting, water management systems, or practical applications of fluid mechanics may find this discussion relevant.

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I am volunteering at an orphanage in Guatemala. There is no well, and the city water is a relatively expensive. I would like to install a rain catchment system on our roof for use in the outhouse bathroom and garden. I've diagrammed it and attached the image.

My question is this: Will the water tank completely fill up, or will the water level in the water tank stay at the water level of the red pipe? My education says that the rain will fill up the very bottom of the tank, then the flat part of the red pipe, and then continue to fill the tank and up the red pipe in such a way that the respective water levels are equal. However, common sense seems to be saying that the tank will not fill up past the level of the flat red pipe section because the water has to "push" its way up the tank.

Will this system work? Is my common sense concern reflective of reality?
 

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The vertical part of the red pipe would have to have more volume then the tank for this to work. I am no expert, but I would place the red pipe at the top of the tank.
 
Physiogista said:
My question is this: Will the water tank completely fill up, or will the water level in the water tank stay at the water level of the red pipe? My education says that the rain will fill up the very bottom of the tank, then the flat part of the red pipe, and then continue to fill the tank and up the red pipe in such a way that the respective water levels are equal.
Yes that is correct. Assuming the top of the tank has a hole somewhere the tank can fill to the level of the red pipe inlet. ie the gutter height.
leaks are twice as likely as a top filled tank and the pipe may be more vulnerable to damage on the ground, A stray spade strike and the tank empties.

Why can't you go overhead? A hose tied to an overhead rope/cable strung between the house and tank works. Depending on catchment size, rain fall, flow rate structure strength, span length etc of course.
 
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Welcome to PF.
The red pipe and tank here form what is termed an “inverted siphon”.
The top of the tank must have a small air vent.
Place a stop valve at the tank where the red pipe attaches so you can service the red pipe without draining the tank.
The tank only needs one drain/fill hole, the brown pipe can come from a 'T' in the red pipe.
 
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Thank you all!
 

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