How Does an Object's Acceleration Affect its Initial Velocity?

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The discussion revolves around an object undergoing a specific acceleration and its resulting velocity after a time interval. Participants explore the relationship between acceleration, initial velocity, and changes in speed and direction, focusing on the implications of vector quantities in motion.

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  • Participants attempt to calculate the initial velocity based on given acceleration and final velocity, questioning the validity of their calculations. They raise inquiries about the definitions of velocity and speed, and whether changes in velocity can occur without changes in speed. Some explore the geometric interpretation of vector relationships.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing calculations and questioning the assumptions behind their reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between vector quantities and the implications for speed and direction changes. Some participants suggest examining the geometric properties of triangles formed by the vectors involved.

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Homework Statement



An object undergoes acceleration 2.3i + 3.6j for 10s. At the end of this time, its velocity is 33i + 15j.
a) What was its velocity at the beginning of the 10s interval?
b) By how much did it's speed change?
c) By how much did its direction change?
d) Show that the speed change is not given by the magnitude of the acceleration multiplied by time. why?

The Attempt at a Solution



a) a→= Δv/Δt


vi→ = (33i + 15j) - (23i + 36j)
vi→ = (10i -21j) ms^-1

b) |vi→| = 23.26ms^-1
|vf→| = 36.25ms^-1
speed = |v| = (|vi→|) -|vf→|
|v| = 13ms^-1

c)tanΘ = 15/33
Θ=24.45°

d) |a→| = sqrt (2.3^2 + 3.6^2) = 4.272ms^-1
Δt = 10s

|a→|.10s \neqΔv
∴4.272ms^-1 . 10s \neq13ms^-1

what is the explanation?
 
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what do you know about the initial directions of the velocity and acceleration?
 
hav0c said:
what do you know about the initial directions of the velocity and acceleration?

Could you be more specific?
 
How are velocity and speed defined? Is it possible that the velocity changes and the speed does not?
If the velocity is \vec {v } = \vec {v_0} +\vec {a } t what is the change of the speed during time t?

ehild
 
ehild said:
How are velocity and speed defined? Is it possible that the velocity changes and the speed does not?
If the velocity is \vec {v } = \vec {v_0} +\vec {a } t what is the change of the speed during time t?

ehild

Is this question with respect to part (d)?
 
negation said:
Is this question with respect to part (d)?

yes, of course.

ehild
 
ehild said:
yes, of course.

ehild

Are my reasoning and workings valid from part(a) - part(c)?

In respond to your earlier question, the change in velocity is a function of time.
vf = vi + at

a.t = Δv
a = (2.3i + 3.6j)

Δv = 10*(2.3i + 3.6j) = 23i + 36j
 
negation said:

Homework Statement



An object undergoes acceleration 2.3i + 3.6j for 10s. At the end of this time, its velocity is 33i + 15j.
a) What was its velocity at the beginning of the 10s interval?
b) By how much did it's speed change?
c) By how much did its direction change?
d) Show that the speed change is not given by the magnitude of the acceleration multiplied by time. why?




The Attempt at a Solution



a) a→= Δv/Δt


vi→ = (33i + 15j) - (23i + 36j)
vi→ = (10i -21j) ms^-1

b) |vi→| = 23.26ms^-1
|vf→| = 36.25ms^-1
change of speed = Δ|v| = (|vi→|) -|vf→|
Δ|v| = 13ms^-1

It was the change of speed.
negation said:
c)tanΘ = 15/33
Θ=24.45°

That is the angle of the final velocity Θf. What is the initial angle? By how much did the direction change?

negation said:
d) |a→| = sqrt (2.3^2 + 3.6^2) = 4.272ms^-1
Δt = 10s

|a→|.10s \neqΔv
∴4.272ms^-1 . 10s \neq13ms^-1

what is the explanation?

The change of velocity is

\vec v_f - \vec v_i=\vec a t

You can make a triangle with side-lengths vf,vi and at. What do you know about the sides of a triangle? Can you draw a triangle with one side equal to the difference of the two other sides? How does it look like? What relation is true among the side lengths of a general triangle?
 
ehild said:
It was the change of speed.


That is the angle of the final velocity Θf. What is the initial angle? By how much did the direction change?

final angle = 24.4 degrees
initial angle = arctan (-21/10) = -64.5 degrees
Θchange = Θf - Θi = 89°


ehild said:
The change of velocity is

\vec v_f - \vec v_i=\vec a t

You can make a triangle with side-lengths vf,vi and at. What do you know about the sides of a triangle? Can you draw a triangle with one side equal to the difference of the two other sides? How does it look like? What relation is true among the side lengths of a general triangle?

But isn't the change in velocity mathematically reasoned to be a.t?

dv/dt = a
therefore,
a.dt = dv

Edit: it's the same thing.
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In general, the sides can be expressed as ratio of one another. This property effective allows us to determine the angle between the lengths.
 
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negation said:
final angle = 24.4 degrees
initial angle = arctan (-21/10) = -64.5 degrees
Θchange = Θf - Θi = 89°




But isn't the change in velocity mathematically reasoned to be a.t?

dv/dt = a
therefore,
a.dt = dv

Edit: it's the same thing.
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In general, the sides can be expressed as ratio of one another. This property effective allows us to determine the angle between the lengths.

Yes, the change of velocity (vector) is the acceleration (vector) multiplied by time. But that is not true to the change of speed.
Look at your triangle. The length of one side is equal to the initial speed |v1|, the other is equal to the final speed |v2|, and the length of the third side is |a|t - magnitude of acceleration multiplied by time. Is |v2|-|v1|=|a|t?

ehild
 
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ehild said:
Yes, the change of velocity (vector) is the acceleration (vector) multiplied by time. But that is not true to the change of speed.
Look at your triangle. The length of one side is equal to the initial speed |v1|, the other is equal to the final speed |v2|, and the length of the third side is |a|t - magnitude of acceleration multiplied by time. Is |v2|-|v1|=|a|t?

ehild

Yes I noticed.

vf - vi = a.t \neq sqrt[vf^2 + vi^2]

Edit: yes it.
 
  • #12
You need to write some explanation which holds for any vector difference. In this case, the initial and final velocities are almost perpendicular. Compare the magnitude of the difference and the difference of the magnitudes in general case.

ehild
 
  • #13
ehild said:
You need to write some explanation which holds for any vector difference. In this case, the initial and final velocities are almost perpendicular. Compare the magnitude of the difference and the difference of the magnitudes in general case.

ehild

I'll contemplate on the reasoning symbolically.
 

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