How Does Angular Velocity Relate to Harmonic Motion in a Rolling Ball?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between angular velocity and harmonic motion in the context of a ball rolling on a circular surface. The problem involves deriving expressions for angular velocity and its relation to angular displacement, as well as analyzing the conditions for harmonic motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to relate angular velocity (W) to angular displacement (theta) through various equations and expresses confusion regarding the complexity of the resulting differential equations.
  • Some participants suggest approximating trigonometric functions for small angles to simplify the equations, while others discuss the implications of these approximations on the form of the differential equation.
  • Questions arise about the validity of the original poster's approach and whether they might be over-complicating the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into potential simplifications and discussing the nature of the differential equations involved. There is recognition of the complexity of the problem, but no explicit consensus on the best approach has been reached.

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Participants note the challenge of expressing the relationships clearly and the difficulty in writing out calculations in the forum format. The problem is framed within the constraints of a typical homework assignment, with specific conditions regarding the rolling motion and small angle approximations being discussed.

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Hi.
Ok, I've given this question already soooooo much time and I simply cannot solve it.

Homework Statement


There's a circular surface that's holding still (like a bowl), with radius R, and a ball, with radius r, on it.
The ball is rolling without sliding.
The mass of the ball and it's moment of intertia are given.
1. First question - express the relation between W, which is the angular velocity of the ball, and "d(theta)/dt", where "theta" is the angle formed in any time between the "main axis of the bowl" and the radius streaching to the ball.
2. Second question - find the relation between W and theta(not theta dot as before), given that the ball starts it's movement at height "h" above the surface.
3. Third and last - given that the ball is oscillating in small values of theta, what is the period time of the harmonic movement? (they give a hint: differentiate (with t) the function we found in the last questions - W(theta), find a "movement equation", and compare it to the "harmonic oscillation" classic equation.

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The Attempt at a Solution


1. I Think I did that - w(t)* r = (theta dot) * R.
2.Ok, here I used mechanical energy cons. and after some effort found a pretty complex relation between W and theta. I won't specify it here but it has square root and all :)
3. Here's the real trouble:
From their hint I think I need to find d(W(t))/dt ? So I can do that using the "chain law" (I'm not sure if that's the name) and take the derivative of t like this:
d(W(t))/dt = d(W(theta))/d(theta) * d(theta)/d(t)
After doing that, using the relations I got in the previous questions, I get a non-linear, second-order diffrential equation. Not solvable of course.

The exercise is a pretty classic one, just a plate with a ball rolling on it - but I still find it very complicated! Maybe I'm over-complicating things?

I'm desprate for help :-\

Thank you very much for reading.
 
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Since they are referring to small \theta, approximate sin\theta\approx\theta and cos\theta\approx1.

Then you get a linear diff. equation. It should the equation for a simple harmonic oscillator.
 
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I know that. I've tried that. Still not a linear diff. equation.

If I must, I'll post my calculations...
However, it's so hard to write them in here...

Thanks anyway.
 
I'm getting a linear differential equation... there's a major cancellation (simplification) that happens when you substitute in \frac{d\theta}{dt} into your equation for \frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2}

You can get \frac{d\theta}{dt} in terms of \theta using your 2 equations for \omega... the one you get in the first part, and the one you get in the conservation of energy part.
 

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