Friction Required for Billiard Ball to Roll without Slipping

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a billiard ball that starts with zero angular velocity and a linear velocity \( v_0 \) on a horizontal surface with a coefficient of friction \( \mu_k \). The objective is to determine the relationship between \( \mu_k \), the distance \( d \) the ball travels before rolling without slipping, and the initial conditions of the ball's motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using energy principles to relate the initial and final states of the ball's motion, including kinetic and potential energy considerations. There are attempts to express the coefficient of friction in terms of the initial and final velocities, but challenges arise in relating these velocities at distance \( d \). Some participants explore the use of torque and angular velocity, while others question the conservation of mechanical energy in the presence of friction.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mechanics involved and questioning the assumptions made about energy conservation and the nature of friction. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for kinematic analysis and the role of static versus kinetic friction, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexities introduced by friction, particularly in distinguishing between static and kinetic friction, and the implications of these distinctions on energy conservation. There is also mention of the need to clarify the relationship between the forces acting on the ball and the resulting motion as it transitions from sliding to rolling without slipping.

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One last thing I'd like to post on this thread. I have found the following explanation from Doc AI in response to this thread (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/linear-and-angular-acceleration.184624/):

"The article is correct. The linear acceleration of the center of mass just depends on the net force on the object, not on where the force is applied. The angular acceleration about the center of mass depends on where the force is applied. (Both statements are just consequences of Newton's 2nd law.)

Realize that the work you do on an object is force times the distance that the contact point moves. When you push the object with an off-center force the contact point moves more (compared to an equal on-center force), thus it takes more work to maintain the force--that extra work goes into the rotational energy."

I think this really cleared it up for me intuitively. In my understanding, torque explains the "how" of the motion of an object, but F=ma is true regardless of how the motion occurs internally. The important thing for energy conservation is that the movement of the contact point is not the same as the movement of the CM. Hope this helps.
 

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