How Does Anti-Commutativity Affect Grassmann Number Integration?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of Grassmann numbers and the implications of their anti-commutativity properties. Participants explore how these properties affect the results of integrals involving Grassmann variables, particularly in the context of quantum applications.

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  • One participant questions the property that states \(\int [ \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}f(\theta)]d\theta=0\) and provides an example with \(f(\theta)=a + b\theta\) leading to \(\int [ \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}f(\theta)]d\theta=b\theta + constant\).
  • Another participant reiterates the same integral property and provides definitions such as \(\int d \theta = 0\) and \(\int d \theta \theta = 1\), seeking clarification on how anti-commutativity influences these results.
  • A different participant expresses confusion regarding the defining property of a single anti-commuting variable \(\theta\) and questions how it leads to \(\int d \theta = 0\).
  • One participant argues that the definitions of the integrals are motivated by the properties of definite integrals over real variables, emphasizing linearity and translation invariance, and concludes that the integral must be defined as \(I=b\) for a general function \(f(\theta)=a+b\theta\).

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Participants express differing views on the implications of anti-commutativity in the context of Grassmann number integration. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the integral properties or their derivation.

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Participants note that the definitions of integrals involving Grassmann variables are motivated by properties of integrals over real numbers, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific implications of anti-commutativity.

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... I hope.

I wasn't sure which math forum to put this into get an answer, but since the application is quantum, I figured this forum would be better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassmann_number

We see here that Grassman numbers have the property

[tex]\int [ \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}f(\theta)]d\theta=0[/tex]

I don't see it. Suppose [tex]f(\theta)=a + b\theta[/tex].

Then [tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}f(\theta)=b[/tex]

And so

[tex]\int [ \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}f(\theta)]d\theta=b\theta + constant[/tex]

right? At least that is what we would get with regular numbers. How does the anti-commutativity affect that?
 
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pellman said:
We see here that Grassman numbers have the property

[tex]\int [ \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}f(\theta)]d\theta=0[/tex]

I don't see it. Suppose [tex]f(\theta)=a + b\theta[/tex].

Then [tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}f(\theta)=b[/tex]

And so

[tex]\int [ \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}f(\theta)]d\theta=b\theta + constant[/tex]

right? At least that is what we would get with regular numbers. How does the anti-commutativity affect that?

[tex]\int d \theta = 0, \ \ \int d \theta \ \theta = 1[/tex]

and

[tex]\int d \theta f(\theta) = \frac{d}{d \theta} f(\theta) = b[/tex]


sam
 
samalkhaiat said:
[tex]\int d \theta = 0, \ \ \int d \theta \ \theta = 1[/tex]

and

[tex]\int d \theta f(\theta) = \frac{d}{d \theta} f(\theta) = b[/tex]


sam

Well, now I am totally confused. Considering a single anti-commuting variable theta, the defining property is [tex]\theta^2=0[/tex] right? Is there anything else? If not, how does that get us

[tex]\int d \theta = 0[/tex]

?
 
[itex]\int d\theta = 0[/itex] and [itex]\int d\theta\,\theta = 1[/itex] are just definitions. They are motivated by the following considerations. An integral over [itex]\theta[/itex] is supposed to be an analog of a definite integral over a real variable [itex]x[/itex] from [itex]-\infty[/itex] to [itex]+\infty[/itex]. So consider [itex]I=\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}dx\,f(x)[/itex]. Assume the integral coverges. One key property is linearity: if we multiply [itex]f(x)[/itex] by a constant [itex]c[/itex], the result is [itex]cI[/itex]. Another is translation invariance: if we replace [itex]f(x)[/itex] with [itex]f(x+a)[/itex], the result is still [itex]I[/itex].

Now, for a Grassmann variable, the most general function is [itex]f(\theta)=a+b\theta[/itex]. Let [itex]I=\int d\theta\,f(\theta)[/itex]. If we want [itex]I[/itex] to be both linear and translation invariant, we must define [itex]I=b[/itex], up to a possible numerical multiplicative constant.
 
Thank you.
 

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