How Does Charge Distribution Affect Electric Fields in a Coaxial Cable?

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The discussion revolves around the electric field generated by a coaxial cable consisting of an inner cylindrical conductor and an outer cylindrical conductor. The inner conductor has a positive charge per unit length, while the outer conductor is stated to have no net charge. Participants are exploring how charge distribution affects the electric fields both between and outside the cylinders.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are questioning the implications of the outer cylinder having no net charge while discussing surface charge densities. There are attempts to reconcile the electric field equations with the charge distributions, particularly regarding the inner and outer surfaces of the outer cylinder.

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Some participants are beginning to clarify their understanding of the charge distribution and electric fields, while others are still grappling with the implications of the problem's conditions. There is a recognition that the inner surface of the outer cylinder must have a charge that is equal and opposite to that of the inner cylinder, but consensus on the interpretation of the outer cylinder's charge distribution is still developing.

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Participants note the potential contradictions in the problem statement regarding charge densities and the implications of having a net charge of zero on the outer cylinder. The discussion reflects uncertainty about how to apply Gauss's law in this context.

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1. A long coaxial cable consists of an inner cylindrical conductor with radius "a" and an outer coaxial cylinder with inner radius "b" and outer radius "c." The outer cylinder is mounded on insulating supports and has no net charge. The inner cylinder has a positive charge per unit length λ. Calculate the electric field (A) at any point between the cylinders a distance "r" from the axis and (B) at any point outside the outer cylinder. (C) Find the charge per unit length on the inner surface and on the outer surface of the outer cylinder.



2. Parts A and B seem really simple, but maybe I'm looking at this wrong. I don't understand how the outer cylinder has any charge density since it was already stated that the outer cylinder has no net charge.



3. I think A and B might have the same answer: (2kλ)/r. This equation was given in the chapter summary in my textbook, but I somehow think they might be wanting a more extensive proof. I have no idea how to approach C since the information given in the problem seems contradictory.
 
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critter said:
I don't understand how the outer cylinder has any charge density since it was already stated that the outer cylinder has no net charge.
Just because the net charge is zero doesn't mean the surface charge densities are zero.
 
How would I solve for the density with what I'm given? Would they both be equal to λ?
 
critter said:
How would I solve for the density with what I'm given?
Use Gauss's law.
Would they both be equal to λ?
In magnitude.
 
I think I'm starting to understand. There is some charge q enclosed between the two cylinders. The inner cylinder produces the electric field E=(2kλ)/r, and the total flux is equal to 0, so the outer cylinder must produce a field E=(-2kλ)/r. In that way, the magnitudes of the densities would be the same. Am I thinking about this correctly?
 
critter said:
I think I'm starting to understand. There is some charge q enclosed between the two cylinders. The inner cylinder produces the electric field E=(2kλ)/r, and the total flux is equal to 0, so the outer cylinder must produce a field E=(-2kλ)/r. In that way, the magnitudes of the densities would be the same. Am I thinking about this correctly?
I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to when you say outer cylinder, since it has two surfaces. (I think you have it, but are expressing it unclearly.)

The inner cylinder (radius a) produces a field E=(2kλ)/r for r > a.

Since the field within the outer conducting cylinder (b < r < c) must be zero, Gauss's law tells you that the total charge enclosed must be zero. Thus the inner surface of the outer shell (at r = b) must have a charge equal and opposite to λ.
 

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