How Does Charge Distribution Affect Potential in Electromagnetic Fields?

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The discussion revolves around the effect of charge distribution on electric potential in electromagnetic fields, specifically involving a charged hoop and a point charge at its center. The problem involves deriving an expression for the potential at points off the axis using given equations and the concept of azimuthal symmetry.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss how to manipulate the potential equations, particularly focusing on expanding terms and factoring out variables to simplify the expressions. There is uncertainty about the correct approach to take when considering the limits of the variables involved.

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Some participants have provided hints regarding the manipulation of the potential equation, suggesting ways to factor out terms. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the potential in terms of powers of R/r, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants are working under the assumption that r is much larger than R, which influences their approach to the problem. There is a focus on ensuring the mathematical expressions align with this assumption.

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Homework Statement


A hoop of radius R and total charge -q is oriented with its normal vector along the z-axis.
A positive charge +q is placed at the centre of the hoop. The potential at a distance r along the z-axis is:

[tex]V(r) = (\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0}(\frac{1}{r} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{r^2 + R^2}})[/tex]

In the case of azimuthal symmetry, the general solution to Laplace's equation [tex]\nabla^2 V = 0[/tex] is:

[tex]V(r,\theta) = \sum^{\infty}_{l=0}(A_l r^l + \frac{B_l}{r^{l+1}})P_l cos(\theta)[/tex]

Assuming r >> R, use equations (1) and (2) to obtain an expression for the leading term of the potential at points off the axis.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I know that on the axis, theta = 0, so

[tex]V(r,\theta) = \sum^{\infty}_{l=0}(A_l r^l + \frac{B_l}{r^{l+1}})P_l[/tex]

I tried expanding equation (1), I think I have to get it into powers of R/r, but not entirely sure how to do that.

Any pointers/hints to get me started would me much appreciated :)
 
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You've got the right idea. I would start by pulling out a factor of R from the denominator in the second term of the on-axis potential.

[tex]\sqrt{r^2 + R^2} = R(\cdots ?\cdots)[/tex]
 
diazona said:
You've got the right idea. I would start by pulling out a factor of R from the denominator in the second term of the on-axis potential.

[tex]\sqrt{r^2 + R^2} = R(\cdots ?\cdots)[/tex]

You mean pull out a factor of [itex]r[/itex], right? (Since [itex]\frac{R}{r}\ll 1[/itex] )

[tex]\sqrt{r^2 + R^2} = r\sqrt{\cdots ?\cdots}[/tex]
 
gabbagabbahey said:
You mean pull out a factor of [itex]r[/itex], right? (Since [itex]\frac{R}{r}\ll 1[/itex] )

[tex]\sqrt{r^2 + R^2} = r\sqrt{\cdots ?\cdots}[/tex]
Ah, yes, thanks for catching that.
 

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