The potential of a sphere with opposite hemisphere charge densities

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The discussion revolves around the potential of a sphere with opposite hemisphere charge densities, exploring the implications of charge distribution on the potential and electric fields. The subject area includes electrostatics and potential theory, particularly focusing on the application of Legendre polynomials and Gauss's law.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the general potential formula and its application to the problem, questioning the validity of using Gauss's law due to the lack of spherical symmetry. There are attempts to identify which Legendre polynomials can be disregarded based on symmetry considerations. Some participants also explore the implications of the charge distribution changing sign and its effect on the potential.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the boundary conditions and the behavior of the potential along the z-axis. There is recognition of the complexity of the problem, and while some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Legendre polynomials, there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final outcome.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not possess spherical symmetry but rather cylindrical symmetry, which affects the application of certain theorems. There is also mention of specific boundary conditions that influence the potential calculations.

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Homework Statement
A sphereical shell of radius ##R## carries a uniform surface charge ##\sigma_o## on the northern hemisphere and a uniform surface charge ##-\sigma_o## on the southern hemisphere. Find the potential inside and outside the sphere.
Relevant Equations
##V(r,\theta)=\sum_{l=0}^{\infty}(A_lr^l+\frac{B_l}{r^{l+1}})P_l(cos\theta)##
Here is what the solution says:

As usual, quote the general potential formula: $$V(r,\theta)=\sum_{l=0}^{\infty}(A_lr^l+\frac{B_l}{r^{l+1}})P_l(cos\theta)$$

The potential outside the sphere is: $$V(r,{\theta})=\sum_{l=0}^{\infty}\frac{B_l}{r^{l+1}}P_l(cos\theta)$$, which makes sense to me.

The potential at z-axis is: $$V(r,{\theta})=\sum_{l=0}^{\infty}\frac{B_l}{r^{l+1}}P_l(cos\theta)$$ because ##P_l(cos\theta) = 1## for all ##l##s.

However, here comes a strange equation: $$V(r,\theta)=\frac{\sigma}{2\epsilon_o}(\sqrt{r^2+R^2}-r)$$ along the z-axis.

I think this equation may come from the Gauss's law: ##\oint \vec E \cdot d \vec A = \frac {Q_{total}}{\epsilon_o}##. I set the Gaussian's surface to enclose the whole hemisphere. As the charged surface emits a uniform E field outside and inside, the equation becomes ##E\int 2d A = \frac {Q_{total}}{\epsilon_o}##, where ##A = 2\pi R^2##. Obviously this is not the correct idea. Can anyone help? Thanks!
 
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Use the boundary conditions for continuity of potential across surface and discontinuity of electric fields across surface to solve for A and B!

The reason Gauss theorem won't work here is that problem does not possesses spherical Symmetry but Cylindrical symmetry!

Also ##P_l(1)=1## for all l!
 
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Since the charge distribution changes sign for ##z<0##, the potential must also do so, i.e. ##V(x,y,-z)=-V(x,y,z).## This means that you can toss out some Legendre polynomials. Which ones? Hint: ##z=r\cos\theta.##
 
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kuruman said:
Since the charge distribution changes sign for ##z<0##, the potential must also do so, i.e. ##V(x,y,-z)=-V(x,y,z).## This means that you can toss out some Legendre polynomials. Which ones? Hint: ##z=r\cos\theta.##
This is hard but I will make a guess. I think for even numbers of ##l## the Legendre polynomials are tossed.

The ##V_{out}## is given by: $$\sum_{l=0}^{\infty}\frac{B_l}{r^{l+1}}P_l(cos\theta)$$

For the first few ##l##s, $$\frac{B_1}{r^2} + \frac{B_2}{r^3}cos\theta + \frac{B_3}{r^4}\frac{3cos^2\theta-1}{2} + \frac{B_4}{r^5}\frac{5cos^3\theta-3cos\theta}{2} \dots = \frac{B_1}{r^2} - \frac{B_2}{r^3}cos\theta + \frac{B_3}{r^4}\frac{3cos^2\theta-1}{2} -\frac{B_4}{r^5}\frac{5cos^3\theta-3cos\theta}{2} \dots$$ because ##-z=-rcos\theta## and ##V(x,y,-z)=-V(x,y,z)##.

For this boundary condition, the sum of all even numbers of ##l## of the Legendre polynomials is 0.
 
Tony Hau said:
For this boundary condition, all even numbers of the Legendre polynomials are canceled on both sides.
Yes.
 
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Tony Hau said:
The potential at z-axis is: $$V(r,{\theta})=\sum_{l=0}^{\infty}\frac{B_l}{r^{l+1}}P_l(cos\theta)$$ because ##P_l(cos\theta) = 1## for all ##l##s.
So, on the z-axis you may write $$V(r)=\sum_{l=0}^{\infty}\frac{B_l}{r^{l+1}}$$
However, here comes a strange equation: $$V(r,\theta)=\frac{\sigma}{2\epsilon_o}(\sqrt{r^2+R^2}-r)$$ along the z-axis.
To find V on the z-axis, you can break up the charge distribution into rings with the z-axis as the axis of the rings. The potential on the axis of a uniformly charged ring is easy to find. Integrating over the rings will give the total potential at points on the z-axis. However, I get a somewhat different result. I find $$V(r)=\frac{\sigma}{\epsilon_o}\frac{R}{r}(\sqrt{r^2+R^2}-r)$$ on the z-axis for ##r>R##.

The reason for finding ##V## on the z-axis is that it gives you a way to find the coefficients ##B_l##. If you expand the expression for ##V(r)## on the z-axis as a power series in ##1/r##, you can compare it to ##V(r)=\sum_{l=0}^{\infty} \large \frac{B_l}{r^{l+1}}## and identify the ##B_l##.
 
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TSny said:
So, on the z-axis you may write $$V(r)=\sum_{l=0}^{\infty}\frac{B_l}{r^{l+1}}$$
To find V on the z-axis, you can break up the charge distribution into rings with the z-axis as the axis of the rings. The potential on the axis of a uniformly charged ring is easy to find. Integrating over the rings will give the total potential at points on the z-axis. However, I get a somewhat different result. I find $$V(r)=\frac{\sigma}{\epsilon_o}\frac{R}{r}(\sqrt{r^2+R^2}-r)$$ on the z-axis for ##r>R##.

The reason for finding ##V## on the z-axis is that it gives you a way to find the coefficients ##B_l##. If you expand the expression for ##V(r)## on the z-axis as a power series in ##1/r##, you can compare it to ##V(r)=\sum_{l=0}^{\infty} \large \frac{B_l}{r^{l+1}}## and identify the ##B_l##.
Nice explanation!
 

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