How does FEM software compute inertial forces?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around how finite element method (FEM) software computes inertial forces, particularly in the context of dynamic analysis of mechanisms, as opposed to static structures. Participants explore the treatment of inertial forces in FEM applications and the conditions under which these forces are considered.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that traditional FEM applications often focus on static structures, raising questions about how inertial forces are incorporated in dynamic scenarios.
  • One participant suggests starting with the equation of conservation of momentum to derive a system of ordinary differential equations for displacement over time.
  • Another participant mentions that with proper model simplification and dynamic analysis, FEM software can account for inertial effects, and highlights the existence of software specifically designed for multibody dynamics.
  • Inertia relief is identified as an option in FEM software that allows for the analysis of non-inertial bodies by introducing inertial forces.
  • Some participants discuss the possibility of applying centrifugal forces and other loads in static analyses to simulate dynamic conditions, particularly for rotating structures.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between local forces and body forces, with emphasis on how inertial forces should be considered in dynamic analyses of machines.
  • One participant questions whether FEM software can handle general dynamic situations or if it is limited to specific types of acceleration.
  • Transient analysis using direct implicit time integration is mentioned as a method that could solve dynamic problems, although not all FEM programs support this capability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of views regarding the capabilities of FEM software in handling inertial forces. While some agree that dynamic analysis is feasible, others remain uncertain about the extent to which different FEM programs can accommodate general dynamic situations versus specific loads.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations noted regarding the assumptions made about the types of structures and operating conditions considered in FEM analyses. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with specific FEM software and their capabilities.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for engineers and researchers interested in the application of FEM in dynamic analysis, particularly those working with mechanisms and rotating structures.

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FEM for machine design
Hello

I have alwayes seen FEM applications for static structures while each " finite element" of a bar linkage mechanisms should be subjected also to a variable inertial force besides its constant weight
how do FEM softwares compute inertial forces ?
 
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Start with the equation of conservation of momentum. Apply the same steps as in the static case; the result is a system of ordinary differential equations for the evolution of displacement over time.
 
in principle I know how to take into account also the inertial forces
The point is that , to my knowdlege, all FEM softwares consider only static structures
 
I was curious so I googled

'non inertial reference frame in ansys'

Some interesting info
 
zoltrix said:
The point is that , to my knowdlege, all FEM softwares consider only static structures
Exactly what kind of structures and operating conditions do you want to consider ? With a proper level of model simplification and dynamic analysis (supported by almost all FEA programs) it should be possible to account for all such effects. And then there's software meant specifically for multibody dynamics.
 
zoltrix said:
I have alwayes seen FEM applications for static structures while each " finite element" of a bar linkage mechanisms should be subjected also to a variable inertial force besides its constant weight
how do FEM softwares compute inertial forces ?
The option you are looking for is usually called "inertia relief". It allows to analyse non-inertial bodies by introducing inertial forces.
 
A.T. said:
The option you are looking for is usually called "inertia relief". It allows to analyse non-inertial bodies by introducing inertial forces.
I'm not sure what the OP is looking for (and thus I asked him for some more details) but it seems that he needs a dynamic analysis or MBD since he mentioned mechanisms. Inertia relief is used to stabilize unconstrained (or not fully constrained) models - it balances applied loads to avoid rigid body motions.
 
yes I had in mind a dynamic analysis
you can study a mechanism in motion same as it were a static structure provide you add also the inertial forces
a kind of trick
I went through several FEM examples but it seem that they deal only with true static structures
Apparentely there is no mention of the inertial forces even in case of analysis of machines
As I said, each finite element should be subjected also to a local inertial force proportional to its mass and acceleration
 
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zoltrix said:
yes I had in mind a dynamic analysis
you can study a mechanism in motion same as it were a static structure provide you add also the inertial forces
a kind of trick
This is commonly done for rotating structures. Instead of running a transient dynamic analysis, one can apply centrifugal force load (available in most FEA programs) in a static analysis. And there are more loads like this for rotating structures. For example, Abaqus offers also Coriolis forces, rotary acceleration and rotordynamic loads in a fixed reference frame. Of course, gravity load is also available in every FEA software to apply various accelerations (not necessarily only those caused by gravity but also the deceleration of a braking car, for instance) in static analyses.
 
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given a body you can distinguish :

- local forces -surface forces and body forces

the body forces are distributed overe the whole volume
in case of a static structure there is one only body force : the weight
in a machine you should add also the inertial forces changing over time and point to point

do you mean that FEM software can apply specific acceleration only such as centrifugal load or linear acceleration/deceleration or can they handle a general dynamic situation

are you familiar with Fusion 360 ?
 
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in other words, take an assembly :

piston-rod-crankshaft

pston is subjected to linear acceleration/ deceleration so FEM analysis is possible
crankshaft is subjected to centrifugal forces again , it is ok
what about the rod ?
Can a FEM software calculate stress and displacement of the rod ?
 
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With transient analysis using direct implicit time integration, it shouldn't be a problem to solve something like this. Not all FEA programs support such analyses but the standalone ones (like Abaqus or ANSYS) should handle it easily.
 
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Impressive
 
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