How does friction cancel out in this problem?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a uniform solid disk of mass m and radius R, which is rolling without slipping down an inclined plane at an angle γ. The focus is on understanding the role of friction in the dynamics of the disk as it moves down the incline.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the equations of motion and torque related to the disk's movement, questioning the validity of the initial equations presented. There is a discussion about the definition and role of friction in the context of rolling without slipping, and whether it affects the torque calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the equations and the implications of friction. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of torque about the instantaneous point of contact, and the relationship between friction and the motion of the disk is being critically examined.

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There is uncertainty regarding the assumptions made about friction and its effects, particularly in relation to the conditions of rolling without slipping. The problem does not specify how close the disk is to slipping, which adds complexity to the analysis.

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Homework Statement


Consider a uniform solid disk of mass m and radius R, rolling without slipping down an inclined plane with an angle γ to the horizontal. The instantaneous point of contact between the disk and the incline is called P.

Homework Equations


ma = mgsinγ - μmgcosγ
Γ = Rmgsinγ-Rμmg
Moment of inertia about P = (3/2)MR2 from parallel axis theorem
Γ is torque

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Are these the correct equations to start out from? Probably not. My professor said you are to assume that there is friction and it will end up cancelling. I can do the problem without friction but not including it.
Γ = Rmgsinγ-Rμmg = (3/2)MR2α
gsinγ-μg = (3/2)a
a = (2/3)(gsinγ-μg)
 
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Can you be a bit more explicit ? What does ##\Gamma = R mg\sin\gamma - R\mu mg## stand for ?
 
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It looks like you are defining the friction force to be equal to μN, but that only applies when the object is ready to slip. The problem only says that it is rolling without slipping. It doesn't give you any sense of how close it is to slipping. Also, I think it would be helpful if you could post your free body diagram showing how you defined your axes.
 
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The problem statement implies that the instantaneous torque is to be calculated about the instantaneous point P, in which case friction keeps the disk from sliding so that it does instantaneously rotate about point P, but friction is not related to any torque about point P, since that is the pivot point.

I don't understand why your professor stated that friction will end up cancelling. Although the torque about point P related to friction is zero, the point of application of linear forces doesn't matter, and the friction force opposes the component of gravity in the direction of the inclined plane, reducing the linear rate of acceleration of the disk (versus a frictionless plane).
 
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Got it - thanks
 

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