How does Hay differ from fresh cut grasses

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The discussion revolves around the nutritional differences and physical changes between hay and fresh cut grasses, focusing on terminology, regional variations, and the processes involved in hay production. Participants explore the implications for animal feeding, particularly for livestock such as horses and dairy cattle.

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  • Some participants suggest that hay is dried grass, while others argue that hay is typically made from legumes and not just dried grass.
  • One participant mentions that hay undergoes fermentation and other processes during curing, which can alter its nutritional value, often for the worse.
  • There is a discussion about the types of hay fed to different animals, with some participants noting that dairy farmers often prefer high-protein hay like alfalfa, while others mention that horses can thrive on Timothy hay.
  • A participant raises a question about the physical changes that occur as fresh grass becomes hay, specifically beyond just losing water.
  • Terminology differences are highlighted, with some participants noting that in the UK, hay is primarily made from grass, while straw comes from cereal crops.
  • Regional practices regarding hay and silage feeding are discussed, with some participants indicating that UK dairy cattle are mainly fed silage rather than hay.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and nutritional aspects of hay versus fresh grass, indicating that multiple competing views remain. There is no consensus on the terminology or the implications for animal nutrition.

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Limitations in the discussion include varying definitions of hay and straw across different regions, as well as the potential for misunderstanding due to terminology differences. The nutritional value of hay may depend on factors such as species and storage conditions, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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If you have an animal, such as a Horse or rabbit which feeds on Hay, what (if any) nutritional difference is there between "Hay" and "fresh grass". Obviously, Hay is grass that has been sun dried to make it more storable. Are there chemical or protein changes that occur to grass that has been dried into hay? I suspect that as the plant dries some sugars are turned into starch. If you have a reference source with an answer to this question I'd appreciate it.
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Hay is not dried grass. Dried grass -- that's straw. Straw is not that nutritious. Hay is typically dried legumes.
 
Hay undergoes fermentation, starch creation, and other processes during the curing phase.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hay

As hay changes due to the action of microbes, drying, sodden storage, time, and so on: the nutritional value changes. Often for the worse. Hay storage varies by species of domestic beastie. Cattle are the most tolerant.
I've seen cattle eat Pampers, quite literally. Makes you wonder what the meat is like...
 
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D H - no. Period. Timothy hay is grass. There is ryegrass also hay - Bromus spp. - ryegrass. Straw comes from oat stem hay usually. And oats are grasses as well.
 
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jim mcnamara - I guess it depends on where you live. I grew up in dairy country. "Hay" was typically alfalfa or clover. If you didn't want your cows to dry up over winter you fed them that or silage. What you're writing about is what dairy farmers called "horse hay." Dairy farmers considered it to be (barely) a grade above straw, and they would use it as straw if they ran out of straw.
 
You're correct. Dairies require high protein hay == alfalfa. Where I am (New Mexico) steers get the lowest quality hay, horses and dairy cattle get better quality, protein-wise. We also have milk-a-doras (play on words for maquilodora), that are diary farms just over the border in Mexico. Their hay contracts have completely drained local hay supplies. The Animas river basin produces kilotons of alfafla. It all goes over the border.

The NM diaries down in Caballo and Hatch all have "semis" or hire truckers to get their alfalfa from as far way as Kansas. First cut alfalfa here is ~$12 for a 2-wire bale. When I raised horses prior to NAFTA it was 30% of that, inflation corrected.

Horses, steers and non-milking cows do fine on Timothy hay.
 
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My question is what are the physical changes (apart from losing water) that occur as fresh grass becomes hay.
 
I think jim answered that in his first reply.
 
All the above variations in terminology seem to be american-continent-specific.

IN the UK, "Hay" is made from grass (often from the natural grass flora of the region). "Straw" is the stalks of cereal crops like wheat and barley, after harvesting (also oats, but the UK doesn't grow much of that). We use "corn" as the generic name for those crops, to confuse you even more.

(The UK climate isn't suitable for maize as a food crop, though it is now being grown to use the whole plant as biofuel input.)

But UK dairy cattle are also fed mainly on silage (made from grass), not hay. Before the technology for silage making was widely used, hay was supplemented with linseed, or oil-seed (commonly called "rape" in the UK)
 
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"Hay", as I am referring to it, is typically grasses harvested before going to seed, which is then left to dry (for several days) and then feed to horses and the like.
 
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AlephZero said:
All the above variations in terminology seem to be american-continent-specific.

IN the UK, "Hay" is made from grass (often from the natural grass flora of the region). "Straw" is the stalks of cereal crops like wheat and barley, after harvesting (also oats, but the UK doesn't grow much of that). We use "corn" as the generic name for those crops, to confuse you even more.

(The UK climate isn't suitable for maize as a food crop, though it is now being grown to use the whole plant as biofuel input.)

But UK dairy cattle are also fed mainly on silage (made from grass), not hay. Before the technology for silage making was widely used, hay was supplemented with linseed, or oil-seed (commonly called "rape" in the UK)

Canadian Hay and silage and straw also agree with the UK version.
An exception would be that hay would mainly include mostly any agricultural plant of the grass family that is harvested before seeding, let to dry, and then bundled into bales or stooks or bunched into a pile for use as a later feed to cattle.
 
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