How Does Logarithmic Solution Limit the Roots of x^a=b?

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The discussion revolves around the equation x^a = b, exploring the implications of using logarithmic and root methods to find the variable x. Participants examine the number of solutions based on the nature of the constants a and b, including cases where these constants are rational, irrational, or non-real.

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  • Victor Lu presents the equation x^a = b and discusses the methods of finding x through roots and logarithms, noting that logarithms do not yield negative solutions.
  • Victor poses questions about the number of solutions when a is rational or irrational, and the implications when a or b are non-real.
  • One participant suggests that there is no difference in the number of solutions between rational and irrational values of a, asserting that there will always be two solutions due to the nature of roots.
  • A later reply emphasizes that when taking the square root of x^2, the correct interpretation involves absolute values, leading to the conclusion that |x| = 2, which implies two potential solutions when removing the absolute value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the number of solutions based on the nature of a and b, with some asserting that there will always be two solutions while others raise questions about specific cases. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of non-real numbers.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to handle cases where a or b are non-real, nor do they clarify the assumptions underlying their claims about rational versus irrational values of a.

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if x^a=b (a,b are constants)
then there are two ways of finding x: root and log
so for example, x^2=4
by root:
(x^2)^(1/2)=(4)^(1/2)
x=\pm2
by log:
2 ln (x) = 2 ln 2
x=2
but it is yet impossible to obtain the negative x from logs. How are you supposed to do it? And here's a few questions:
1.when a is rational how do you know x have 1 or 2 answers?
2.what happens when a is not rational?
3.what happens when a or(and) b is not real?


thanks
Victor Lu
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x^a=b
log[x](b)=a <--- [x] is base x
log(b)/log(x)=a
(1/a)*log(b)=log(x)
log(b^(1/a))=log(x)
b^(1/a)=x
 
also i think i can say that there is no difference in whether you change a to rational or irrational, and there will always be two solutions, as it will always be some root
but i don't know about non-real numbers, sorry.
 
n_kelthuzad said:
if x^a=b (a,b are constants)
then there are two ways of finding x: root and log
so for example, x^2=4
by root:
(x^2)^(1/2)=(4)^(1/2)
x=\pm2
by log:
2 ln (x) = 2 ln 2
x=2
but it is yet impossible to obtain the negative x from logs. How are you supposed to do it? And here's a few questions:
1.when a is rational how do you know x have 1 or 2 answers?
2.what happens when a is not rational?
3.what happens when a or(and) b is not real?


thanks
Victor Lu
16
Hi, Victor!

when you take the SQUARE root of x^2, the CORRECT answer is root(x^2)=|x|, not x.
|x| is what we call "the absolute value" of the number x, i.e, its distance from 0 (irrespective of direction), which is always a non-negative number.

Thus, solving x^2=4 with the square root operation gives you FIRST:
|x|=2

Then, when you wish to remove the absolute value sign, you get two solutions.

root(4)=2 always, never -2
 

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