How does motion affect the potential energy of a spring?

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The discussion explores the relationship between motion and the potential energy of a spring, particularly in the context of relativistic effects and electromagnetic radiation. It examines how acceleration may influence the energy stored in a system, as well as the implications for light and time perception.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the potential energy stored in a spring changes when the system is accelerated, suggesting that motion affects energy.
  • Another participant argues that potential energy does change with motion, referencing the relationship between electromagnetic field energy and velocity, and invoking the factor gamma from special relativity.
  • A different participant expresses the belief that motion does not affect light or electromagnetic radiation, asserting that the speed of emitted light remains constant regardless of the apparatus's motion, and questions the existence of time as a measurable entity.
  • Another participant counters that while observers in relative motion perceive light traveling at the same speed, they will observe different frequencies and energy levels due to their differing perspectives on time and space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of motion on potential energy and electromagnetic radiation, with no consensus reached on the implications of these effects or the nature of time.

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Some claims depend on interpretations of relativistic physics and the nature of light, while assumptions about the relationship between motion and energy are not universally accepted among participants.

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we know that physical objects are affected by motion, their energy increases as they are accelerated. what about pure energy ? say i have a box with some potential energy stored in it (like a coiled spring or a battery etc). when i accelerate this setup, there will be change in the mass of the materials, but will the potential energy stored in the spring also change ?
 
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Yes, it will. One way to see this is to study the energy associated with the electromagnetic field and see how it varies as the velocity changes. This energy will increase by the same factor gamma = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) that mechanical mass increases. In fact, it was by studying the behavior of electromagnetism that Einstein and others derived special relativity.
 
oh i was on the impression that motion won't have any effect on light or EMR. consider this setup where we have any apparatus where pulses of light are produced. when we move the apparatus close to speed of light, the velocity of the light emitted from aparatus, will still remain the same. also, i believe there won't be any change in its frequency or amplitude, which means the motion has no effect on its energy content. pls correct me if I am wrong here...
actually i was thinking about time and I am a firm believer that time is a man made concept. In reality time doesn't exist. any physical entity can be detected or measured ? what about time ? (clocks don't measure time)
my explanation for non variance of speed of light is that, motion has no effect of EMR and hence time doesn't apply to EMR. time applies only to physical objects (rather, we humans can apply time only to matter)
 
If two observers with different relative motion view light (electromagnetic radiation), it's true they will both see the light moving at the same speed. But the frequency and hence the energy content of the radiation will be different as viewed by the two observers. Because the two observers view time and space differently, one will see the light to have a longer wavelength (lambda) and lower frequency(nu) than the other, while the product (lambda*nu = c) will be the same.
 
thanks for the clarification !
 

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