How Does Negative Pressure Influence the Expansion of the Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of negative pressure and its influence on the expansion of the universe, particularly in the context of dark energy and gravity. Participants explore theoretical implications, references to scientific literature, and the nature of vacuum energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference an article from Scientific American discussing how vacuum energy may have negative pressure, potentially leading to repulsive gravity that drives the universe's accelerated expansion.
  • There is confusion expressed about the nature of pressure and gravity, with some participants suggesting that positive pressure would lead to repulsive gravity, while others clarify that positive pressure contributes to attractive gravity.
  • A participant provides a technical explanation involving the equation of state for dark energy, indicating that dark energy's negative pressure results in a negative gravitational effect.
  • Several participants engage in a side discussion about the need for references and links to the original article, highlighting a disagreement over the necessity and availability of such links.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the interpretation of pressure's role in gravity, with some asserting that positive pressure leads to attractive gravity while others argue for the opposite. The need for references also remains contested, with no consensus on how to address this issue.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of access to the original article due to paywall restrictions, and unresolved interpretations of the relationship between pressure and gravity in the context of dark energy.

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Accelerating Expansion of the Universe
In an article published in Scientific American, authors Adam Riess and Mario Livio wrote:

Scientists have a number of hypotheses for what might be driving the acceleration of the universe. The leading candidate arises from the nature of empty space. In quantum physics a vacuum is not “nothing”—rather it is teeming with pairs of “virtual” particles and antiparticles that spontaneously appear and annihilate one another within a tiny fraction of a second. As strange as it may sound, this sea of ephemeral particle pairs carries energy, and energy, just like mass, can produce gravity. Unlike mass, however, energy can create either an attractive or a repulsive gravity, depending on whether its pressure is positive or negative. The vacuum energy in empty space, according to theory, should have a negative pressure and thus may be the source of the repulsive gravity driving the accelerated expansion of the universe. — Scientific American, March, 2016, page 40,

Why negative pressure? I would think the pressure would be positive, thus making gravity repulsive.
 
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RJ Emery said:
Why negative pressure? I would think the pressure would be positive, thus making gravity repulsive.
Gravity is positivity attractive, thus a negative would make it repulsive. Hm ... this is beginning to sound like a girl I dated in college :smile:
 
phinds said:
Gravity is positivity attractive, thus a negative would make it repulsive. Hm ... this is beginning to sound like a girl I dated in college :smile:
TMI... :wink:
 
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RJ Emery said:
Summary:: Accelerating Expansion of the Universe

In an article published in Scientific American
Please provide a link.
 
RJ Emery said:
I would think the pressure would be positive, thus making gravity repulsive.
Positive pressure causes attractive gravity, not repulsive gravity. Roughly speaking, if you're looking at a perfect fluid, its "gravity" is described by ##\rho + 3 p##, where ##\rho## is the energy density and ##p## is the pressure; the more positive this quantity is, the more attractive gravity is. So positive pressure adds to attractive gravity. (Dark energy has equation of state ##p = - \rho##, so ##\rho + 3 p = - 2 \rho##, which is negative since ##\rho## is positive. That's why dark energy causes "repulsive gravity".)
 
PeterDonis said:
Please provide a link.
A link to what? The original article online? It is behind a paywall, and unless you have a paid subscription to SA (I do) you won't be able to access it. Furthermore, I quoted the relevant paragraph. That's all there is to it. If you wish to read the full article, visit your local library.
 
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A link to what? The original article online?
Yes.

RJ Emery said:
It is behind a paywall, and unless you have a paid subscription to SA (I do) you won't be able to access it.
And some readers may have such a subscription. In any case, when you are asked for a reference, you need to give it. That is PF policy, which you signed up to when you became a member.

RJ Emery said:
I quoted the relevant paragraph.
Doesn't matter. We still need a link.

RJ Emery said:
If you wish to read the full article, visit your local library.
If you wish to continue posting here, please abide by the rules.
 
PeterDonis said:
Yes.And some readers may have such a subscription. In any case, when you are asked for a reference, you need to give it. That is PF policy, which you signed up to when you became a member.Doesn't matter. We still need a link.If you wish to continue posting here, please abide by the rules.
If you bothered to read the original post, I gave the publication, issue date, and page number. The article is not available online in the public domain. You will not be getting a link because there is no link.
 
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RJ Emery said:
If you bothered to read the original post, I gave the publication, issue date, and page number. The article is not available online in the public domain. You will not be getting a link because there is no link.
This is not an acceptable response. Thread closed.
 

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