How Does Newton's Second Law Apply to a Bird Sitting on a Wire?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Newton's Second Law in the context of a bird sitting on a stretched wire. Participants are exploring the relationship between the weight of the bird and the tension in the wire.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the validity of the assertion that tension approaches infinity when a bird sits on the wire. There is an exploration of the implications of a perfectly horizontal wire and the resulting tension.

Discussion Status

Some participants are providing insights into the physical behavior of the wire, noting that it cannot be perfectly horizontal and that the tension must be greater than the weight of the bird. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made regarding the wire's tension.

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Participants are discussing the constraints of the problem, particularly the unrealistic scenario of a perfectly horizontal wire and the implications for tension in real-world conditions.

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Homework Statement



fill in the blanks.
when a bird of weight W sits on a stretched wire, The tension in the wire is__________

Homework Equations



Force(external)=mass*aceeleration

The Attempt at a Solution



tension should approach to infinity
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jAxRY0XgAlTG_MBPJJXgmmoBuoqs8og73eew_j0wWmM/edit?hl=en_US
 
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vkash said:

Homework Statement



fill in the blanks.
when a bird of weight W sits on a stretched wire, The tension in the wire is__________

Homework Equations



Force(external)=mass*aceeleration

The Attempt at a Solution



tension should approach to infinity
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jAxRY0XgAlTG_MBPJJXgmmoBuoqs8og73eew_j0wWmM/edit?hl=en_US

What is your question / difficulty ?
 
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PeterO said:
What is your question / difficulty ?

is my answer correct.
My answer is infinity.
 
vkash said:
is my answer correct.
My answer is infinity.

Clearly it can't be. IF the wire was able to be exactly horizontal between the poles, the tension would be infinity - meaning the wire will never be completely horizontal: it will sag slightly [even without the bird]
The fact the wire droops only slightly means the tension is quite large - certainly greater than the weight of the bird.
 

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