How Does Newton's Third Law Explain Acceleration in Cars?

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The discussion revolves around understanding Newton's Third Law in the context of car acceleration. Participants explore how forces interact within the system of a car, particularly focusing on the role of the engine and the relationship between the wheels and the road.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question how an internal system, like an engine, can provide force to itself. There is a comparison made to an astronaut in space, raising issues about internal versus external forces. Some attempt to clarify this by discussing how the engine applies force to the wheels, which then interact with the road.

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Some participants have provided insights into the mechanics of force application and traction, suggesting that the interaction between the wheels and the road is crucial for forward motion. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of these interactions, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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Participants are grappling with the concept of internal versus external forces and how they relate to motion, particularly in the context of Newton's Third Law. The analogy of walking is used to illustrate these concepts, but the discussion remains open-ended.

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The force acting on a car in vertical direction cancel out(the gravitational force and the normal force) such that it doesn't move in vertical direction.

If the car were to move to the right on a road, we are supposed to provide a force to the car by imagining that we can use our hands to push the car from the back.

However, I find it odd to think of how can the engine provide the force to the car since the engine is in the system. The force provided by pushing using hands from the back are from external agent.

It's confusing to think of how can the internal system-the engine supplies force to itself and make itself moves. Just like an astronaut floating in the space is unable to move unless someone else push/pull him.

Thank you.
 
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The force acting on a car in vertical direction cancel out(the gravitational force and the normal force) such that it doesn't move in vertical direction.

If the car were to move to the right on a road, we are supposed to provide a force to the car by imagining that we can use our hands to push the car from the back.

However, I find it odd to think of how can the engine provide the force to the car since the engine is in the system. The force provided by pushing using hands from the back are from external agent.

It's confusing to think of how can the internal system-the engine supplies force to itself and make itself moves. Just like an astronaut floating in the space is unable to move unless someone else push/pull him.

Thank you.
The engine applies force to the wheels which push back on the road. The car, after all, is connected to the Earth unlike an astronaut.

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The wheels of the car pushes on the road like Andrew said. The road pushes back on the wheels via Newton's third law. This force coming from the road pushes the car forward (weird as it seems, but if the surface consists of loose gravel the car cannot get traction - the wheels just spin around. Which tells us the force coming from the surface is actually responsible for the forward motion of the car.).
 
However, I find it odd to think of how can the engine provide the force to the car since the engine is in the system.

Surely, that's no more odd than the "engine" in your body that provides the force required for you to walk and run.
 
Thanks for your answers. I can finally imagine how it actually occurs.

Putting the walking of a person as an example.
The person tries to walk by pulling the Earth and at the same time Newton's third law says the Earth will push you foward with the same force as well, thus enabling you to walk.
 

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