How Does Observer Velocity Affect Sound Wavefront Frequency?

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The problem involves a sound source emitting waves at a frequency of 450 Hz, with an observer moving away from the source at a velocity of 40 m/s. The inquiry focuses on how the number of wavefronts received by the observer changes over time.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the observer's motion and the frequency of sound waves, with some exploring the implications of the Doppler effect. There are questions about the relevance of distance to the source and whether the observer's initial state affects the frequency observed.

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Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between wavefronts and frequency, while others are questioning the completeness of the problem statement and the assumptions made regarding the observer's motion.

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There is a suggestion that additional information may be needed, such as the observer's initial state before beginning to move, which could influence the frequency change over time.

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Homework Statement


A source of sound emits waves at a frequency f 450 Hz. An observer is located at a distance d 150 m from the source. If the observer is moving away from the source at a velocity vobs 40 m/s, how does the number of wavefronts change with time? dN/dt ? (in Hz)


Homework Equations


λ=u/f
N=d/λ
u - speed of sound


The Attempt at a Solution


with moving observer my frequency changes. f'=(u/u+vobs)*fsource
λ'=u/(u/u+vobs)*fsource)=(u+vobs)/f

in time Δt, ΔN=(d+vobsΔt)/λ' - d/λ'

then I find a limit for Δt>0 lim ΔN/Δt= dN/dt

Am I on the right way?
 
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1 wavefront arrives per cycle.
The number of wavefronts that arrive per unit time is the number of cycles per second - what quantity is measured in cycles per second?
 
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Simon Bridge said:
1 wavefront arrives per cycle.
The number of wavefronts that arrive per unit time is the number of cycles per second - what quantity is measured in cycles per second?

Just frequency? No need of all that ΔN/Δt calcs?

Then, if observer is receding f' = u/[(u+vobs)*fsource]
Is it? dN/dt = f' . Is that what you mean?
 
The number of wavefronts observed per second is the frequency of the sound observed :)

It's an odd way of asking for it though - and what does the distance to the source have to do with it?
It sounds to me like there may be some information missing from the problem statement.
Like if the observer was originally stationary and at t=0 suddenly starts moving ... then the frequency would change with time.
 

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