How does one express a function of a single variable and a constant?

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The discussion revolves around the appropriate notation for expressing a function of a single variable and a constant. Participants explore various representations, their implications, and the contexts in which they are used, including theoretical and practical applications.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the necessity of including constants in function notation, suggesting that constants do not influence the dependent variable, and thus can be omitted.
  • Others argue that proper notation is important for clarity, especially when the constant is relevant to the function being defined.
  • Various notations for functions with a constant parameter are proposed, including f(x, a), f_a(x), f^{(a)}(x), and f(x; a), with some participants seeking clarification on their meanings and equivalences.
  • One participant suggests that the term "parameter" may be more appropriate than "constant" when discussing functions that depend on a variable that can take on different values.
  • There is a discussion about the adequacy of using forms like f(x, some constant) and the potential for confusion in specific contexts, particularly when multiple constants could be involved.
  • Some participants mention that certain notations, like f(x; c), indicate a family of functions, which may be relevant when discussing constants.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of notation when distinguishing between different bases in logarithmic functions, emphasizing the importance of context in notation choice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of opinions regarding the necessity and appropriateness of including constants in function notation. There is no consensus on a single preferred notation, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the choice of notation may depend on the context in which it is used, and that consistency is important to avoid confusion. Some notations may imply different meanings based on their usage.

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How would someone go about writing a general expression for a function of a single variable and a constant? For example, if we have a function of two variables 'x' and 'y' we can use f(x,y). If we had a function of 'x' and the constant '∏' is it acceptable to write it as f(x,π)?
 
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mesa said:
How would someone go about writing a general expression for a function of a single variable and a constant? For example, if we have a function of two variables 'x' and 'y' we can use f(x,y). If we had a function of 'x' and the constant '∏' is it acceptable to write it as f(x,π)?

Why would you want to do that? By definition, a constant does not change, so it should not influence the dependent variable. Functions like ##x \rightarrow \pi x## or ##x \rightarrow \sin \pi x## are completely adequately represented as ##f(x)## (omitting the ##\pi##).
 
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Curious3141 said:
Why would you want to do that? By definition, a constant does not change, so it should not influence the dependent variable.
Functions like ##x \rightarrow \pi x## or ##x \rightarrow \sin \pi x## are completely adequately represented as ##f(x)## (omitting the ##\pi##).

This is in reference to new functions where the constant, π for this particular example, is relevant. Proper notation is paramount otherwise there is no point.

On that note, and considering the confusion about the example f(x,∏), this particular representation does not seem appropriate, do you have an alternative suggestion?
 
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There are lots of notations for a function ##f## in variable ##x## with some constant parameter ##a##, besides just plain old ##f(x, a).## Some other examples are ##f_a(x)##, ##f^{(a)}(x)##, ##f(x; a).##
 
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olivermsun said:
There are lots of notations for a function ##f## in variable ##x## with some constant parameter ##a##, besides just plain old ##f(x, a).## Some other examples are ##f_a(x)##, ##f^{(a)}(x)##, ##f(x; a).##

Excellent, thank you olivermsun. Do any of those have a particular meaning or is,
##f(x, a)## = ##f_a(x)## = ##f^{(a)}(x)## = ##f(x; a).## for all cases?

Does anyone else have anything to add?
 
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It depends on the context it's used in. Use a notation that doesn't cause confusion in your context and be consistent.
 
I have seen the notation f(x; c) used to indicate a function of the variable x which depends upon the parameter c. I think the word "parameter" is better here than "constant".

(You understand that the distinction between a "variable" and a "constant" that can take on different values is pretty slim!
f(x; c) is understood to mean a family of functions of x, each possible value of c giving a different function in that family.)
 
HallsofIvy said:
I have seen the notation f(x; c) used to indicate a function of the variable x which depends upon the parameter c. I think the word "parameter" is better here than "constant".

(You understand that the distinction between a "variable" and a "constant" that can take on different values is pretty slim!
f(x; c) is understood to mean a family of functions of x, each possible value of c giving a different function in that family.)

I have seen many examples of 'family of functions' (some even posted on PF) so this notation is good to know.

On another note, for this particular instance I am interested in notation for a function of one variable that also happens to have a single known constant (e.g. π, or e, or phi, etc.) as part of that function. If I had a function of a single variable 'x' and constant '∏' is f(x,∏) an acceptable form to describe said function?
 
mesa said:
On another note, for this particular instance I am interested in notation for a function of one variable that also happens to have a single known constant (e.g. π, or e, or phi, etc.) as part of that function. If I had a function of a single variable 'x' and constant '∏' is f(x,∏) an acceptable form to describe said function?
If it's just a constant like e then just don't put it.
 
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Jorriss said:
If it's just a constant like e then just don't put it.
Only if there's no chance of confusion.

For example, I think writing ##\log_e(x)## and ##\log_{10}(x)## is a good idea when either or both could be used.
 
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Jorriss said:
If it's just a constant like e then just don't put it.

I understand this sentiment, however if it were that simple I wouldn't be here. Do you think using the form f(x,some constant) is adequate?
 
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mesa said:
I understand this sentiment, however if it were that simple I wouldn't be here. Do you think using the form f(x,some constant) is adequate?
It seems adequate. I've seen it in textbooks and published papers alike.
 
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olivermsun said:
It seems adequate. I've seen it in textbooks and published papers alike.

Very good, thank you (again).
 
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olivermsun said:
Only if there's no chance of confusion.

For example, I think writing ##\log_e(x)## and ##\log_{10}(x)## is a good idea when either or both could be used.
In this case you would write f(x) = lnx =log_e x. You're still not writing the e in the name of the function, f.

mesa said:
I understand this sentiment, however if it were that simple I wouldn't be here. Do you think using the form f(x,some constant) is adequate?
I prefer ## f_c(x) ## to indicate that the function is only a function of x.
 
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Jorriss said:
In this case you would write f(x) = lnx =log_e x. You're still not writing the e in the name of the function, f.
You are. The ##e## appears in the subscript of the function name ##\log##. Anyway it's just one possible convention. The point is to distinguish between base ##e## and ##10## clearly.
 
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olivermsun said:
You are. The ##e## appears in the subscript of the function name ##\log##. Anyway it's just one possible convention. The point is to distinguish between base ##e## and ##10## clearly.
Hm, yeah I suppose you're right about this one. Though a comment, even here you aren't using the notation ##f(x,a)##, it's still the notation ##f_a(x)##.
 
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