How Does Oxygen Transform into Nitrogen in ITER's Fusion Reactor?

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of oxygen into nitrogen within the context of ITER's fusion reactor, specifically focusing on the neutron activation process and the resulting isotopes. Participants explore the mechanisms of neutron interactions with oxygen, the decay modes of nitrogen isotopes, and the implications of neutron flux in fusion environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how oxygen transforms into nitrogen when exposed to neutron flux, seeking clarification on the underlying nuclear reactions.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of "neutron activation" as a relevant process when water is subjected to neutron flux.
  • There is a discussion about the specific reactions involving oxygen isotopes, particularly the (n,p) reaction where a neutron displaces a proton, leading to further reactions.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the decay modes of nitrogen isotopes, particularly 16N, and how they relate to the reactions discussed.
  • A participant mentions the existence of databases for nuclear data, suggesting resources for looking up cross sections and reaction details.
  • There is a debate about the frequency of neutron capture versus the (n,p) reaction, with one participant noting that "most of the time" is not well-defined due to the variety of nuclei and energy ranges involved.
  • Another participant elaborates on the definitions and conventions surrounding neutron capture and related processes, including spallation and fission.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms of neutron interactions with oxygen and the resulting isotopes, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the specifics of the reactions or the implications of neutron flux.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the frequency and conditions under which specific reactions occur, as well as the dependence on energy thresholds for different nuclear reactions.

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I don't understand this line in iter website. How is this reaction possible?

"When exposed to the intense flux of neutrons from the fusion reaction, the oxygen present in the water generates short-lived radioactive isotopes of nitrogen—one (isotope 16) emitting a highly energetic gamma ray, the other (isotope 17) a fast neutron."

Is the neutron knocking out an oxygen proton, then? Is that very common, or the issue is the large neutron flux?

https://www.iter.org/newsline/-/3050

I also don't understand the decay mode; here is 16N in the wiki list of nitrogen isotopes;-

16N 7 9 16.0061017(28) 7.13(2) s
β− (99.99%) 16O
β−, α (.001%) 12C

I guess displacing the oxygen proton leaves the nucleus very excited?

I'd be grateful for any insight.
 
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Lord Jestocost said:
When water is exposed to a neutron flux, a process termed "neutron activation" occurs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_activation
I would have though neutron activation was...

16O + n = 17O?

OK, I can see on that page there is an immediate release of a proton. Does this make an intermediate 17O, then, or is the proton just knocked straight out?
 
cmb said:
16O + n = 17O?
17O is stable. You get some of that, too, but that doesn't matter. The (n,p) reaction where the neutron kicks out a proton is more important because it leads to further reactions.
cmb said:
I also don't understand the decay mode; here is 16N in the wiki list of nitrogen isotopes;-

16N 7 9 16.0061017(28) 7.13(2) s
β− (99.99%) 16O
β−, α (.001%) 12C
Most of the time it does a beta decay to oxygen, sometimes it emits an alpha particle at the same time.
 
Years ago I used to use a website where you could put in these sorts of reactions and it'd give you cross sections and things, I could have looked it up. But not sure where that is. Would you know a site/database I might be thinking of?
 
cmb said:
Years ago I used to use a website where you could put in these sorts of reactions and it'd give you cross sections and things, I could have looked it up. But not sure where that is. Would you know a site/database I might be thinking of?
Various countries and the EU have nuclear data centers. In the US, the database is maintained at Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL)

www.nndc.bnl.gov
For cross sections of elements/nuclides, see https://www.nndc.bnl.gov/sigma/
For some information on radionuclides, see https://www.nndc.bnl.gov/nudat2/
N-16 was a concern for some BWR using hydrogen injection in the feedwater. In a reducing environment, nitrogen is carried out of the core by the steam through the steam lines to the turbines. Some plants had to add additional shielding, or restrict areas near the steam lines to prevent worker exposure.
https://www.nndc.bnl.gov/nudat2/decaysearchdirect.jsp?nuc=16N&unc=nds

The (n,p) reaction in 16O has a neutron energy threshold of ~10.2 MeV, so the concern is primarily about the 14.1 MeV neutron from the d+t fusion reaction, which is the principal reaction planned for ITER.
 
mfb said:
The (n,p) reaction where the neutron kicks out a proton is more important because it leads to further reactions.

@cmb, you might think about Newton's Cradle when thinking about these reactions. Because n and p have about the same mass, an n comes in and a p goes out. (This is modified by a bunch of nuclear physics, but it's a good starting point to visualize what happens)
 
Astronuc said:
Various countries and the EU have nuclear data centers. In the US, the database is maintained at Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL)

www.nndc.bnl.gov
For cross sections of elements/nuclides, see https://www.nndc.bnl.gov/sigma/
For some information on radionuclides, see https://www.nndc.bnl.gov/nudat2/
N-16 was a concern for some BWR using hydrogen injection in the feedwater. In a reducing environment, nitrogen is carried out of the core by the steam through the steam lines to the turbines. Some plants had to add additional shielding, or restrict areas near the steam lines to prevent worker exposure.
https://www.nndc.bnl.gov/nudat2/decaysearchdirect.jsp?nuc=16N&unc=nds

The (n,p) reaction in 16O has a neutron energy threshold of ~10.2 MeV, so the concern is primarily about the 14.1 MeV neutron from the d+t fusion reaction, which is the principal reaction planned for ITER.

Thanks, that is super. Yes, EXFOR was the one I was thinking of.
Vanadium 50 said:
@cmb, you might think about Newton's Cradle when thinking about these reactions. Because n and p have about the same mass, an n comes in and a p goes out. (This is modified by a bunch of nuclear physics, but it's a good starting point to visualize what happens)

I was thinking that, but does it happen most of the time in neutron capture, though, displacing p for n?
 
Given the number of nuclei and the large range of energies involved, "most of the time" is not well-defined.
 
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cmb said:
neutron capture
'Neutron capture' by convention means that the neutron is absorbed and the nucleus of A increases in mass to A+1, e.g., 16O + n -> 17O (transmutation), and usually a gamma ray is emitted, a process called 'radiative capture'. The thresholds for (n,n'), (n,p), (n,α), or other reactions are usually in the MeV-range, typical of binding energies (of nucleons) of the target nucleus. We also observe photoneutron reactions for high-energy gammas, e.g., d+γ(~2.23 MeV) -> p+n, or 9Be+γ(~1.67 MeV) -> 2α + n, which is used in secondary neutron sources in nuclear reactors. The gamma source is 123Sb, which absorbs a neutron and becomes 124Sb, which then decays and emits a gamma of ~1.69 MeV.

https://journals.aps.org/pr/abstract/10.1103/PhysRev.80.309

https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/14/792/14792880.pdf (~1982)
http://nuclear.ee.duth.gr/upload/2009 NIMS SbBe.pdf

When a high energy particle (e.g., neutron, proton, . . . ) interacts with a nucleus and knocks out particles, we refer to 'spallation', or sometimes 'fission'.
https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/23/015/23015552.pdf

Also, in a nuclear reactor, besides the fission reactions and decays of fission products, absorption of neutrons leads to transmutation of structural materials, about which we have to be concerned.
 
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